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Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
135. Wait, this is nothing that previous
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:14 PM
Aug 2013

popes have not said over and over again. "love" the sinner, "hate" the sin.

The pope is not giving any ground whatsoever here. He still believes that homosexual acts are sinful. He is not going to change his mind about that. Again, this is nothing new.

"Who am I to judge him", he ask? Nobody. Nofuckingbody in my book.

Pope: Who am I to judge gay people? [View all] dipsydoodle Jul 2013 OP
Who is this guy and what did he do with the Bishop of Rome? n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #1
check under the settee. xchrom Jul 2013 #2
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #53
Really? You think that is a positive statement? dbackjon Jul 2013 #55
Compared to the blanket condemnation of his predecessors? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #82
So that makes it a cause for celebration? dbackjon Jul 2013 #112
In reality it is the difference between Fearless Aug 2013 #134
I think that the pope's statement is actually a pretty big deal. yardwork Aug 2013 #158
It's a huge step in the right direction. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #91
please explain reorg Jul 2013 #110
If it is still demeaning, how is it a big shift? dbackjon Jul 2013 #113
The previous Popes have been bigger jerks about the subject. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #119
not true reorg Jul 2013 #123
"why the obsession to defend the pope" ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #124
Yeah, sure.... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #125
I don't think it is a change Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #144
Baby steps, friend Thor_MN Jul 2013 #132
You also don't call a puppy shitting on the floor Holy Father, Vicar of Christ. Nor do folks run Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #136
Why would anyone call a puppy anything other than it's name? Thor_MN Aug 2013 #143
Say what??? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #145
If you had bothered to read this subthread Thor_MN Aug 2013 #147
Oh, I've read the entire thread multiple times theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #148
You are free to your opinion and to be just as miserable as you desire Thor_MN Aug 2013 #153
Not the first time we've all heard that kind of response theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #154
Who am I to stand in the way of your absolute misery? Thor_MN Aug 2013 #155
Yes indeed theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #157
I'm the person you replied to. Thor_MN Aug 2013 #159
Did you catch the last paragraph of the article? melm00se Jul 2013 #3
Jackie Mason? Orrex Jul 2013 #4
I would take Jackie Mason over the other kind. yurbud Jul 2013 #63
Yup, one of the Founding Fathers! Muahaha! freshwest Jul 2013 #75
Someone call Robert Langdon. Arkana Jul 2013 #11
Having a Pope elide the gay lobby with financial elites cprise Jul 2013 #28
For a moment I thought it read "Mormon lobbies" caseymoz Jul 2013 #35
So horrific. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #37
"In this lobby, will there be TP? TP for my bunghole?" (NT) Heywood J Jul 2013 #97
So end the Catholic Lobby. Stay the fuck out of government, RCC. Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #141
my grand father was a mason. madrchsod Aug 2013 #152
Here is the key phrase Elmergantry Jul 2013 #5
Isn't it, though (ref to Masons). Delphinus Jul 2013 #6
No it's not he's speaking from his own experience. Masonic Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #14
Propaganda Due visca Jul 2013 #46
Thanks! I didnt know about that Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #49
It used to be . . . caseymoz Jul 2013 #40
re: "homosexual acts are sinful, homosexual orientation is not." thesquanderer Jul 2013 #67
So gays can never have sex, according to the FUCKED UP theology of the Catholics and most other dbackjon Jul 2013 #74
Sure they can have sex. thesquanderer Jul 2013 #76
Sure they can have sex... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #96
Yes and No. Elmergantry Jul 2013 #79
This is what passes for a charm offensive, RC Church-style, 2013. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #7
You got it. theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #9
Some won't be happy until the Pope shows up in a speedo at the Gay Pride parade. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #69
well said n/t Psephos Jul 2013 #99
No it isn't dbackjon Jul 2013 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Nihil Jul 2013 #106
Deleted my previous response ... Nihil Jul 2013 #107
Ain't it the truth...I don't even want to post sometimes because of all the hostility that seems CTyankee Jul 2013 #133
Please explain how this statement is a "step" in any direction at all reorg Jul 2013 #109
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #116
dbackjon, you are my kind of guy! Skittles Jul 2013 #127
WTF Skittles Jul 2013 #126
So, Francis, how do you feel about women becoming priests? CTyankee Jul 2013 #8
Don't hold your breath waiting for responses theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #13
same old same old...as the saying goes... CTyankee Jul 2013 #17
Did you read the article? Maybe the margin will get thinner, but no priests... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #45
Actually, I heard that on NPR this a.m. when I was driving to the library...I nearly swerved off CTyankee Jul 2013 #61
No, not okay! calimary Jul 2013 #120
But they already have jobs theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #128
Well, it's not exactly tolerance, but from the Catholic Church I'll take what I can get. Arkana Jul 2013 #10
Meaning 'I'm not gay so I don't care' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #22
Not what I said, but you carry on beating that strawman. Arkana Jul 2013 #30
The OP is a Straw Pontiff, Francis said nothing that is new. 'hate the sin, love the sinner'. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #36
But women. He can judge the heck out of them. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #12
Baby steps......... Beacool Jul 2013 #16
Celebrate when there is change, not when there is no change. It is insulting to GLBT people. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #21
There is a saying... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #24
The difference is that this Pope can trick his followers into cheering for no difference. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #31
If you review the responses to the 80 previous Pope threads... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #32
It is intentional anti gay activism. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #33
Yup! dbackjon Jul 2013 #56
Right on, Francis!!!! Beacool Jul 2013 #15
I agree, reform is going to take time for the Catholic Church davidpdx Jul 2013 #19
I attend a Lutheran church, but was raised Catholic. Beacool Jul 2013 #43
Why should there be "doctrine"? Jesus never said, "Believe this or be damned." Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #64
It goes back to Matthew 16:19 Elmergantry Jul 2013 #80
What he said is no different from what all his peers say 'as long as they are celebate, it is ok' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #20
Pope didnt say anyhting new per the athiests Elmergantry Jul 2013 #25
Thank you. The mendacity around here is disgusting. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #29
The difference is that this is the first Pope who I have heard say Beacool Jul 2013 #42
He did not say that. Here is a discussion that is favorable to him, but also accurate about what Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #50
WHY ARE YOU CHEERING A FUCKING BIGOT>? dbackjon Jul 2013 #57
He's talking about the priests. Beacool Jul 2013 #77
No, he is NOT just talking about the priests. dbackjon Jul 2013 #78
This is not new nor kind it is what Dolanbigot says as well 'they are allowed freindship only' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #18
Don't judge gays. Judge WOMEN instead. n/t cprise Jul 2013 #23
Judge women and gays who have sex. He says we have to be celebate. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #27
Exactly. "Love the sinner" is not bad; it's the claim that NYC Liberal Jul 2013 #68
pushing this here as if it was not retread hate speech is offensive. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #26
Correct. Hate the sin not the sinner is the position of many fundamentalist totodeinhere Jul 2013 #62
I call this "stumbling off the starting line" nevergiveup Jul 2013 #34
I call Alabama the Crimson Tide. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #39
No, he just judges them for wanting to have lives like straight people do. forestpath Jul 2013 #38
Other Popes have said about the same thing. caseymoz Jul 2013 #41
I appreciate his words, I do- BUT, I, and my 'acts', are not sinful, temptations, thorns in the cecilfirefox Jul 2013 #44
The rules for the private members club called the church dickthegrouch Jul 2013 #47
He will reverse himself just like he did with atheists Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #48
Not perfect, but certainly a lot better than hanging gay people or stoning them to death. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #51
'bout fucking time DainBramaged Jul 2013 #52
What is there to cheer? dbackjon Jul 2013 #58
(sigh) Would you rather he have said" kill all Gays let God sort them out"? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #59
I'd rather he just say "We still hate the gays" dbackjon Jul 2013 #60
Well then write the HolyFather and tell him how you feel DainBramaged Aug 2013 #139
And those are the choices as you see them? Full hate or hate couched in a cloud of rhetoric? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #138
What changed, this was the official position of the Catholic Church all along... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #70
He can still go fuck himself dbackjon Jul 2013 #54
Charming. As always. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #71
So I should be nice to a person that doesn't view me as fully human? dbackjon Jul 2013 #73
This is nothing new and has been in the Catechism for a long time NYC Liberal Jul 2013 #65
We shall see, but he sounds like a pretty good guy. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #66
Uhm, nothing has changed, he still thinks same sex marriage is from "The Father of Lies"... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #72
Just his way to duck the scandal that made ratzinger retire. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #81
It's great that Duers are all mad about Catholics and stuff. Ash_F Jul 2013 #83
*Your results will vary if you are Gay dbackjon Jul 2013 #84
Particularly gays. Ash_F Jul 2013 #86
Really, you are going to scold him? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #89
Catholics aren't going anywhere, sorry. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #101
Your post was nasty, insulting and offensive Marrah_G Jul 2013 #111
Not meant as a slight? theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #95
By all means continue being angry. Ash_F Jul 2013 #100
I don't want to eliminate the Catholic Church dbackjon Jul 2013 #114
Judging by the responses to your posts elsewhere in this thread... Ash_F Jul 2013 #129
That is a strange claim considering that in Argentina Francis used marriage equality as his Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #137
Oh why bring up the truth at a time like this? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #146
What attempt? This reiterates the Catechism that has been in place for 30+ years... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #93
That could be one takeaway Ash_F Jul 2013 #102
The past 3 popes always said don't hate the gays, but to them... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #121
Maybe, but this is the most overt statement in my recollection. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #130
Too bad this sicko church has caused untold suffering for millions over centuries. Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #142
Let's not cheer for someone being a little less of a bigot Marrah_G Jul 2013 #85
I don't think it is so much cheering as it is relief Ash_F Jul 2013 #87
Actually he was- except if they live a celibate life Marrah_G Jul 2013 #88
Bingo! trotsky Jul 2013 #122
Yes he did - unless we stay in the closet, and don't have sex dbackjon Jul 2013 #117
I don't see it as him being "slightly less bigoted" he just isn't as... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #92
At a time when GLBT citizens and women are fighting for their very lives and rights... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #94
One sentence, now he's good to go for about five years till his next gay "kinda maybe". Safetykitten Jul 2013 #90
Is the Pope Catholic? grantcart Jul 2013 #98
Really DU? He condemned the evil "gay lobby." joshcryer Jul 2013 #103
then attack the anti gay policy DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #104
Cardinal Dolan was just on the Today Show theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #105
No progressive should ever cheer the Pope dbackjon Jul 2013 #118
Who are you to judge anyone, indeed? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #108
That's what I've always been told burnodo Aug 2013 #156
Bullshit. xfundy Jul 2013 #131
Wait, this is nothing that previous Sissyk Aug 2013 #135
True. The Bishop of Rome and his criminal Cardinals PM Martin Aug 2013 #140
Then he just ought to tell the catholic school who fired the teacher Amonester Aug 2013 #149
Is Francis The 'Boss' or Not??? Amonester Aug 2013 #150
unfortunately he doesn't have the time make lasting changes madrchsod Aug 2013 #151
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