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15. It's like we've gone rogue...

Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:19 PM

Oct 2013

Seriously. If we are spying on other world leaders, we are only going to foster mistrust with countries with which we have solid, longstanding relationships.

Do we really want to piss off our allies at this time? We have tenuous and troubled relationships with many countries (China, Russia, Pakistan) and there is so much strife in the Middle East. Why would we want to piss off our strong relationships?

This is such horrible policy, if indeed we are spying on friends.

There are times that I think that the entire planet has had just about enough of us. If we continue
behaving like idiots, sooner rather than later--we could really lose a lot of power and clout. We lost respect and piss off
other countries and it could affect so much. Suddenly, the dollar doesn't look as attractive to other countries. I think
some countries are hanging on by a thread with us.

Why do this and risk economic and political instability for our entire country. Is our stature as a superpower really worth throwing away to hear what Angela Merkel is saying?

I don't care how great of a superpower you have been in the past, if you piss off enough big players--they'll
turn on you. It can happen easily.

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Snowden Leak: The NSA Has Been Monitoring Phone Calls of 35 World Leaders [View all] Hissyspit Oct 2013 OP

As I always say Comrade Eddie... SoapBox Oct 2013 #1

Anybody can say shut the fuck up to anyone. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #4

You're embarrassed by the USA's actions, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #6

I'm not embarrassed by his actions and I'm not naive enough pnwmom Oct 2013 #25

'His' actions? You blame this specifically on Obama, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #35

Didn't we all just assume this years ago? brush Oct 2013 #36

Leaders of allied countries, such as Germany, don't expect to be treated like Cold War suspects muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #41

You think they're not spying too . . . brush Oct 2013 #51

Pollard has spent decades in prison for it muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #70

"And yeah, I don't think any ally is trying to tap Obama's phone calls." gcomeau Oct 2013 #72

I'd be shocked if Israel weren't trying. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #75

My point is that . . . brush Oct 2013 #81

Comrade? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #9

Yes, dont you hate it when your denial bubble is burst? So much easier when rhett o rick Oct 2013 #12

This has nothing to do with the NSA violating our Constitution. pnwmom Oct 2013 #26

The post I was responding to called Snowden a Russian. That is a typical rhett o rick Oct 2013 #42

And Snowden's leaking info about our spying does nothing to solve the problem pnwmom Oct 2013 #43

It certainly brought it attention that apparently was impossible for the rhett o rick Oct 2013 #49

Both are wrong debunkthis Oct 2013 #109

What US laws make spying on international targets illegal? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #110

As I recall debunkthis Oct 2013 #116

Right. We would extradite our own spies to the country pnwmom Oct 2013 #117

In this case, I'm in favor of doing just that debunkthis Oct 2013 #119

Um, folk in denial bubbles about the scummy nature of the Bush gang usually don't post here struggle4progress Oct 2013 #125

"The Bush Gang" is still in power in the NSA. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #131

The link in the OP is about things that happened in 2006 or before. Perhaps you think it's cute struggle4progress Oct 2013 #133

When you have nothing to add you just have to resort to yelling "Obama-bashing". rhett o rick Oct 2013 #136

After this, world leaders will be saying, Shut up, Comrade from America, you've got no cred . . . JDPriestly Oct 2013 #13

who the fuck are you? frylock Oct 2013 #20

Damn straight. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #55

Why don't we ALL STFU gholtron Oct 2013 #56

no, the red baiter upthread can fucking jam it frylock Oct 2013 #74

Well if Europe now ceases to play ball on SWIFT dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #33

he has more than you do stupidicus Oct 2013 #50

ok I don't agree with wireless surveillance ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #2

A lot of these countries MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #5

That isn't what I said ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #8

Not to the extent that we are. The East Germans would have loved this stuff. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #16

Stop making sense! It is only USA that is "evil" doncha know!!! MADem Oct 2013 #38

Where is your evidence ronnie624 Oct 2013 #103

Enemies? Really? I guess Reagan shouldn't have bothered, then! MADem Oct 2013 #106

You have none, I see, lol. n/t ronnie624 Oct 2013 #111

I can't help it if you won't read. nt MADem Oct 2013 #115

You can't help it if you can't post evidence ronnie624 Oct 2013 #118

They haven't been caught. That doesn't mean they haven't done it, or tried. MADem Oct 2013 #120

Thanks for the advise. I'll give it the consideration it merits. n/t ronnie624 Oct 2013 #121

So is it your theory that foreign surveillance of Obama's phone has been detected Ace Acme Oct 2013 #79

If it were revealed that France, Germany, Italy or the UK were tapping Obama's phone Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #96

I think the shit storm is deserved but I also think that if they had the technology they would be ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #132

Either they aren't Ash_F Oct 2013 #139

Well, nobody said Empire was going to be easy...or even legal. libdem4life Oct 2013 #3

Is the NSA monitoring Obama's calls? dkf Oct 2013 #7

What's to stop them? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #14

The fact that government employees can be as cut-throat in career matters as anyone else: blowing struggle4progress Oct 2013 #126

So if a government employee or an employee of a contractor working for the government rhett o rick Oct 2013 #128

What I said was: if the NSA were revealed to be involved in unauthorized wire-tapping of elected struggle4progress Oct 2013 #129

Yes heads would roll but only of the person that tried to expose the spying. It rhett o rick Oct 2013 #130

If the NSA spied on Congress, the NSA would immediately be neck-deep in shit. If the NSA spied struggle4progress Oct 2013 #134

"which is a good indication that your own analysis is careless and sloppy" If my analysis rhett o rick Oct 2013 #135

I'd lay money on it and everybody else in gov't to boot. eom Purveyor Oct 2013 #21

According to NSA whistleblower Russ Tice, they've been monitoring Obama since 2004 davidn3600 Oct 2013 #30

Began during W's term Newsjock Oct 2013 #10

I still don't understand why there was scant discussion Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #11

I for one was horrified. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #17

Because Manning didn't actually "reveal" anything like that struggle4progress Oct 2013 #94

It's like we've gone rogue... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #15

Our employers spy on us bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #19

We are NOT these other countries' employers, though. CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #23

I don't think it's such a bizarre comparison DaveJ Oct 2013 #28

+1,000! KoKo Oct 2013 #31

You do not obviously choose to do this bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #57

Because you can choose christx30 Oct 2013 #24

I see opportunity bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #18

Typewriters Log Out PCs In Anti-Espionage Operations Amidst Wire-Tapping, Snooping Era Purveyor Oct 2013 #22

The Russians are doing the same, back to square one jakeXT Oct 2013 #27

I read about the Russians but couldn't find copy on it. BTW...has anyone tried to use a typewriter Purveyor Oct 2013 #29

Purveyor Diclotican Oct 2013 #37

Is that a typewriter where you write one line, confirm it and then it prints it ? jakeXT Oct 2013 #54

jakeXT Diclotican Oct 2013 #60

The last time I used one was probably as a child, just for fun jakeXT Oct 2013 #53

I still have a pretty nice one. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #77

The Russians favor typewriters Ace Acme Oct 2013 #80

Let's all get really really angry at Obama again for stuff Bush did! struggle4progress Oct 2013 #32

Obama said he was not doing this. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #44

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #85

I voted for Obama in the belief he would put an end to Bush's nefarious actions. Psephos Oct 2013 #46

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #86

so what? Psephos Oct 2013 #104

Mr Obama can't issue any orders changing what happened under Bush in 2006 or before struggle4progress Oct 2013 #105

lol Psephos Oct 2013 #108

The thread is about something that happened in 2006 or before struggle4progress Oct 2013 #112

I remember people like you back in highschool. Psephos Oct 2013 #113

Anybody who's interested in what's at the link in the OP actually says, should read the link struggle4progress Oct 2013 #124

Bush HW Bush? mwooldri Oct 2013 #48

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #87

Strawman. No-one in the thread is blaming Obama for this. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #73

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #89

Go ahead, point out the posts blaming Obama muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #90

Here's one, posted in this very subthread, hours before you posted in the subthread struggle4progress Oct 2013 #91

That was posted *as a reply to your post complaining about people blaming Obama* muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #92

Well, that's two strikes muriel against you: first you put words in my mouth; then you claim struggle4progress Oct 2013 #114

Damn ... that furlough reached further than I thought ... Nihil Oct 2013 #142

Mebbe ya oughta read the frickin story in the OP: it's about a 2006 memo struggle4progress Oct 2013 #143

Awww ... did I hit a nerve then little woodchuck? Nihil Oct 2013 #144

It smells wrong to me when a 2006 memo makes you angry at Obama struggle4progress Oct 2013 #145

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And we're supposed to believe 9/11 was a complete surprise? KansDem Oct 2013 #39

Of course we do. To be good Americans, we have to believe anything our government tells us. RC Oct 2013 #47

Even more, to be Good Americans we must believe exactly what we're told Maedhros Oct 2013 #78

Does anyone doubt this? nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #40

Isn't it odd how no one talked about this until the black guy was in office? melody Oct 2013 #45

Are you serious or are you simply not aware of someone called Snowden? snagglepuss Oct 2013 #52

And if you think Snowden isn't being used melody Oct 2013 #61

And don't forget Greenwald brush Oct 2013 #82

Exactly melody Oct 2013 #101

Does that make the NSA spying OK? OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #98

What does this mean? brush Oct 2013 #102

Yes, we're all racists for opposing unrestrained NSA syping. last1standing Oct 2013 #64

I won't even honor that with a response lol n/t melody Oct 2013 #65

And yet you just did. last1standing Oct 2013 #67

Really? Welcome to my ignore list n/t melody Oct 2013 #68

Awww! You accuse anyone questioning the NSA a racist then get offended when called out. last1standing Oct 2013 #69

When folk get riled at the black dude, providing as evidence stuff done in 2006 or before, some struggle4progress Oct 2013 #93

Here are the "subtle errors" I've found: last1standing Oct 2013 #95

The story is about a memo from 2006, disclosing spying at some point earlier: it's a story about struggle4progress Oct 2013 #97

It doesn't matter who's in the White House. It matters what they do in there. last1standing Oct 2013 #99

Well;, now you're simply talking from both sides of your mouth: you want Mr Obama struggle4progress Oct 2013 #107

Since all you can do is spew insults we have nothing to say. last1standing Oct 2013 #122

No one is coming after you. stonecutter357 Oct 2013 #58

K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #59

Why doesn't the rest of the world know this is a non-story from a shameless self-promoting Paulite? 1000words Oct 2013 #62

Eddie's just showing how patriotic he is. Progressive dog Oct 2013 #63

Some might say... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #100

Some would say that Progressive dog Oct 2013 #137

Oh! what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive! ~ Sir Walter Scott Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #66

Snowden Leak: Intelligence Agency Conducts Intelligence Gathering gcomeau Oct 2013 #71

The thing that makes it extra funny is that the NSA gives information to these same countries JoePhilly Oct 2013 #127

K&R n/t NealK Oct 2013 #76

Snowden is a hero. L0oniX Oct 2013 #83

Not quite. Splinter Cell Oct 2013 #140

Agent Mike agrees. L0oniX Oct 2013 #141

The "spying on Americans" outrage at least made some sense treestar Oct 2013 #84

Don't think of it as spying. Octafish Oct 2013 #88

Merkel's Call to Obama: Are You Bugging My Phone? eridani Oct 2013 #123

NSA monitoring 35 World Leaders? slackers. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2013 #138

"The memo, dated October 2006" -- This is BFEE all the way Hekate Oct 2013 #147

The two people who have released all this information did it when they COULD. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #148