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In reply to the discussion: Snowden Leak: The NSA Has Been Monitoring Phone Calls of 35 World Leaders [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)78. Even more, to be Good Americans we must believe exactly what we're told
AND THEN, when told the exact opposite, we are to fully believe that as well, until it's necessary to revert back to our previous believe upon further instruction.
Obligatory excerpts from 1984:
To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.
For example widespread warrantless surveillance was unconscionably bad under Bush, but is now vital to our security under Obama. In a few years, it will once again become unconscionably bad when a Republican is elected to the White House.
Just like the ACA was a great idea to Conservatives when the Heritage Foundation dreamed it up and Romney supported it in Massachusetts, but is now teh Soshalisms since Obama signed it into law.
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Snowden Leak: The NSA Has Been Monitoring Phone Calls of 35 World Leaders [View all]
Hissyspit
Oct 2013
OP
Leaders of allied countries, such as Germany, don't expect to be treated like Cold War suspects
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2013
#41
Yes, dont you hate it when your denial bubble is burst? So much easier when
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#12
Um, folk in denial bubbles about the scummy nature of the Bush gang usually don't post here
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#125
The link in the OP is about things that happened in 2006 or before. Perhaps you think it's cute
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#133
When you have nothing to add you just have to resort to yelling "Obama-bashing".
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#136
After this, world leaders will be saying, Shut up, Comrade from America, you've got no cred . . .
JDPriestly
Oct 2013
#13
Not to the extent that we are. The East Germans would have loved this stuff.
JDPriestly
Oct 2013
#16
So is it your theory that foreign surveillance of Obama's phone has been detected
Ace Acme
Oct 2013
#79
If it were revealed that France, Germany, Italy or the UK were tapping Obama's phone
Warren Stupidity
Oct 2013
#96
I think the shit storm is deserved but I also think that if they had the technology they would be
ebbie15644
Oct 2013
#132
The fact that government employees can be as cut-throat in career matters as anyone else: blowing
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#126
So if a government employee or an employee of a contractor working for the government
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#128
What I said was: if the NSA were revealed to be involved in unauthorized wire-tapping of elected
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#129
Yes heads would roll but only of the person that tried to expose the spying. It
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#130
If the NSA spied on Congress, the NSA would immediately be neck-deep in shit. If the NSA spied
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#134
"which is a good indication that your own analysis is careless and sloppy" If my analysis
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#135
According to NSA whistleblower Russ Tice, they've been monitoring Obama since 2004
davidn3600
Oct 2013
#30
Typewriters Log Out PCs In Anti-Espionage Operations Amidst Wire-Tapping, Snooping Era
Purveyor
Oct 2013
#22
I read about the Russians but couldn't find copy on it. BTW...has anyone tried to use a typewriter
Purveyor
Oct 2013
#29
Is that a typewriter where you write one line, confirm it and then it prints it ?
jakeXT
Oct 2013
#54
I voted for Obama in the belief he would put an end to Bush's nefarious actions.
Psephos
Oct 2013
#46
Mr Obama can't issue any orders changing what happened under Bush in 2006 or before
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#105
Anybody who's interested in what's at the link in the OP actually says, should read the link
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#124
Here's one, posted in this very subthread, hours before you posted in the subthread
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#91
That was posted *as a reply to your post complaining about people blaming Obama*
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2013
#92
Well, that's two strikes muriel against you: first you put words in my mouth; then you claim
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#114
Mebbe ya oughta read the frickin story in the OP: it's about a 2006 memo
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#143
Of course we do. To be good Americans, we have to believe anything our government tells us.
RC
Oct 2013
#47
Awww! You accuse anyone questioning the NSA a racist then get offended when called out.
last1standing
Oct 2013
#69
When folk get riled at the black dude, providing as evidence stuff done in 2006 or before, some
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#93
The story is about a memo from 2006, disclosing spying at some point earlier: it's a story about
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#97
It doesn't matter who's in the White House. It matters what they do in there.
last1standing
Oct 2013
#99
Well;, now you're simply talking from both sides of your mouth: you want Mr Obama
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#107
Why doesn't the rest of the world know this is a non-story from a shameless self-promoting Paulite?
1000words
Oct 2013
#62
Oh! what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive! ~ Sir Walter Scott
Hubert Flottz
Oct 2013
#66
The thing that makes it extra funny is that the NSA gives information to these same countries
JoePhilly
Oct 2013
#127
The two people who have released all this information did it when they COULD.
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#148