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75. Dunne kind of had a dog in this fight

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 09:46 PM

Oct 2013

So to speak. I think everyone has forgotten that his daughter was murdered by her estranged boyfriend at about aged 21. I'm sure none of it was malicious, just empathy for the Moxley's because he knew what they had been through for so many years. He knew how the victim is often forgotten in these cases that get so much attention. Two of the jurors from the first trial have come forward today and made statements that they believe he is guilty and are sticking by their verdict. Which of course they should because Skakel is still guilty.

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Judge Sets Aside Conviction, Orders New Trial For Michael Skakel In Martha Moxley Murder [View all] madinmaryland Oct 2013 OP

If this is true, is it possible for any perosn using a public defender to have a constitutionally Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #1

There are many bright, hard working public defenders. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #15

That's true, but burnout happens quickly Warpy Oct 2013 #33

I am not saying they aren't bright, but they are grossly overworked. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #39

Overworked and severely underfunded . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #70

Yes elleng Oct 2013 #19

Of course but it does raise the questrion of whether the states are adequately funding these offices rug Oct 2013 #29

Sherman was not a public defender iirc yardwork Oct 2013 #79

wow...10 yrs to get a another trial. madrchsod Oct 2013 #2

Yeah, well too bad. He certainly acted guilty. Think of all the years Martha lost. marble falls Oct 2013 #5

"acted guilty"? "Think of all the years Martha lost"? pnwmom Oct 2013 #7

You don't think the lost years that Martha lost speaks for some sort of justice...... marble falls Oct 2013 #11

The years she lost doesn't mean someone should be convicted pnwmom Oct 2013 #13

And he'll admit guilt to a lesser charge at best, jump bond at worst. He's not walking.... marble falls Oct 2013 #16

He did it Scairp Oct 2013 #28

And he used a 6 Iron to beat her skull in warrant46 Oct 2013 #30

None of his DNA or fingerprints or hair or fiber pnwmom Oct 2013 #51

I guess its up to the Jury again warrant46 Oct 2013 #52

Despite the family money, this defendant did not hire even pnwmom Oct 2013 #53

An alibi defense in my state requires a defendant to file a Notice Of Alibi warrant46 Oct 2013 #55

How come you only saw a couple of these filed? pnwmom Oct 2013 #60

Not many alibis in most criminal cases warrant46 Oct 2013 #63

this is incorrect inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #102

No, that isn't it. pnwmom Nov 2013 #103

I was responding to this quote by you inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #104

What is incorrect? The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense pnwmom Nov 2013 #105

THIS is incorrect: The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #107

"An" alibi defense isn't sufficient. Sherman failed to put on pnwmom Nov 2013 #108

you mean alibi witness, not defense - there was an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #110

No, it doesn't come down to believing what Michael told Sherman. pnwmom Nov 2013 #111

you don't know what you are talking about inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #112

I should have said that the Grand Jury testimony put Sherman on notice. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

No one had any reason to believe he could alibi Michael. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #115

It was up to the defense attorney never to assume anything. pnwmom Nov 2013 #116

If you read the previously posted case law cited by the State's Attorney, Susann Gill, inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #118

The previously posted case is irrelevant because the judge's ruling now pnwmom Nov 2013 #120

The judge's decision is being challenged. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #122

This judge has written an extremely strong decision. pnwmom Nov 2013 #123

They never found the grip end of the golf club inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #94

True. But that doesn't change the fact that we don't know pnwmom Nov 2013 #96

unlike the tutor and the gardener.... inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #98

There is no reliable report that he did so. When you only weigh pnwmom Nov 2013 #99

It's not hard inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #109

Three people said he was in the next town, watching a movie. pnwmom Oct 2013 #31

Sorry, that is bullshit Scairp Oct 2013 #37

Your "case" is bullshit. The fact that the cops did a poor job on the case pnwmom Oct 2013 #38

You do understand what you are doing right? Scairp Oct 2013 #42

I'm taking the side of someone who is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. pnwmom Oct 2013 #44

didn't he admitt that climbed a tree and masturbated while peeping in her window? nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #47

That isn't murder, is it? And that tree was 300 yards pnwmom Oct 2013 #49

so that is his alibi? "I was on the other side of the house peeping in a window and arely staircase Oct 2013 #57

No, his alibi is that he was in a different town at the time the DA says pnwmom Oct 2013 #58

ok arely staircase Oct 2013 #66

Dominick Dunne ran basically a hate campaign pnwmom Oct 2013 #67

Dunne kind of had a dog in this fight Scairp Oct 2013 #75

different versions different trees inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #114

Yes Scairp Oct 2013 #68

The tree was 300 yards away from the tree near where she was found. pnwmom Oct 2013 #77

This is incorrect. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #119

On the opposite side of the very big house from where Michael pnwmom Nov 2013 #121

more than an hour after her death? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #124

By the state of her stomach contents, the death was no later than 10 p.m. pnwmom Nov 2013 #125

They need not agree on the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #126

But they wouldn't be able to agree that he was the killer pnwmom Nov 2013 #127

What other witnesses? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #128

You didn't bother to read the judge's opinion, did you? pnwmom Nov 2013 #129

I thought you were still discussing the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #130

Have you read the opinion yet? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #131

Of course, I have. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #132

Lie detector tests are bullshit alarimer Oct 2013 #73

Fine. There were 5 witnesses and we can pretend there were no pnwmom Oct 2013 #74

Lie detector tests are bullshit - yes they are inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #87

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #88

Hey! They're as accurate as a shiny new dime! rock Nov 2013 #91

No he did not. He put himself up in a tree 300 yards away pnwmom Oct 2013 #50

Mickey Sherman did present an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #89

because they spent those years appealing for various other reasons TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #83

Michael Sherman was a showboating fool, and that trial was a joke alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #3

"in all likelihood guilty"? It never seemed that way to me. pnwmom Oct 2013 #8

I always seriously doubted his guilt. liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #25

+1,000,000 n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #36

You're right Warpy Oct 2013 #34

Agree sbout Sherman. I followed that trial. yardwork Oct 2013 #80

I wonder how many poor people get retrials because their lawyer sucked BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #4

That was my first thought. nt madinmaryland Oct 2013 #6

Many try and a few succeed. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #17

They're not eligible..... BronxBoy Oct 2013 #40

Probably not nearly enough. But when someone with money pnwmom Oct 2013 #45

I'm very glad about this I never thought he was guilty in the first place Rene Oct 2013 #9

Me neither, I'm equally glad liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #26

Weren't Mark Furman and Lucienne Goldberg Rozlee Oct 2013 #10

Dominick Dunne nt ANOIS Oct 2013 #12

Him, too. And also Jeffrey Toobin, who had his ass handed to him tonight duffyduff Oct 2013 #24

Furman wrote a book pointing the finger at Michael TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #85

THE Mark Fuhrman?! KamaAina Nov 2013 #133

*Fume* Rozlee Nov 2013 #134

Derp. KamaAina Nov 2013 #135

Robert Kennedy makes a very strong case for Skakel's innocence here: pnwmom Oct 2013 #14

And that's why we don't allow family on juries. Michael also admitted guilt to his father. marble falls Oct 2013 #18

Have you read the article? Kennedy made a very detailed case. pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

You are correct. There was reasonable doubt all over this case. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #23

Family friend Mildred �Aunt Cissy� Ix told the grand juror: inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #90

Third hand testimony from someone who couldn't remember pnwmom Nov 2013 #92

She claims her best friend's husband told her inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #93

He dressed Toobin down tonight, and Toobin had to backtrack a bit duffyduff Oct 2013 #22

If every murder case.. sendero Oct 2013 #54

I'm sure it seems like an awfully long time for him, too. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #59

The Kennedy menfolk look out for each other. nt Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #56

Thanks, read the entire piece and then his father's take on gambling in 1962. Much to think about. freshwest Oct 2013 #82

Corrections by prosecutor Benedict, attorney, Eugene J. Riccio, and Greentown author, Tim Dumas inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #95

Well, the judge agrees with the defense that Sherman didn't pnwmom Nov 2013 #97

huh? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #100

I was responding to your very first point: that Sherman pnwmom Nov 2013 #101

This is incorrect. Skakel did not accuse Sherman of failing to pursue an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #106

Good. That was a witchhunt by media solely because this guy was a "Kennedy" cousin. duffyduff Oct 2013 #20

There is zero evidence that anyone other than Michael Skakel killed Martha Moxley. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #27

There were no fingerprints, DNA, or witnesses that connected pnwmom Oct 2013 #32

There is zero evidence Skakel did it. This was a media-orchestrated witchhunt. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #35

Finally Scairp Oct 2013 #43

Then there's also zero evidence that anyone other than I killed her, too. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #84

The burden of proof . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #117

Did the almost Kennedy admit it or not? Redford Oct 2013 #41

No, he didn't. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #65

Was there ever any doubt that they would eventually find a judge to make this ruling? hughee99 Oct 2013 #46

He will be found guilty again, as his own words damned him, irrevocably. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #48

No, they didn't. And 5 witnesses put him in the next town pnwmom Oct 2013 #61

Yes--they did. You forget that Michael Skakel taped the book proposal where msanthrope Oct 2013 #62

What you don't realize is that he put himself in a different tree pnwmom Oct 2013 #64

I don't think Mickey Sherman believed the alibi defense, and I think he refused to suborn perjury. msanthrope Oct 2013 #71

Well, at this point he's legally innocent till proven guilty. pnwmom Oct 2013 #72

I bet he regrets masturbating in the tree (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #86

Poor lawyer treestar Oct 2013 #69

"Media" has hounded the Kennedy family... Mike Nelson Oct 2013 #76

Just another case of if one is... MicaelS Oct 2013 #78

That should be the standard in all trials: freshwest Oct 2013 #81