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76. "Media" has hounded the Kennedy family...

Reply to madinmaryland (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:42 PM

Oct 2013

...since Jackie married Onassis and Ted had that accident. They did not live up to the myth.

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Judge Sets Aside Conviction, Orders New Trial For Michael Skakel In Martha Moxley Murder [View all] madinmaryland Oct 2013 OP

If this is true, is it possible for any perosn using a public defender to have a constitutionally Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #1

There are many bright, hard working public defenders. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #15

That's true, but burnout happens quickly Warpy Oct 2013 #33

I am not saying they aren't bright, but they are grossly overworked. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #39

Overworked and severely underfunded . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #70

Yes elleng Oct 2013 #19

Of course but it does raise the questrion of whether the states are adequately funding these offices rug Oct 2013 #29

Sherman was not a public defender iirc yardwork Oct 2013 #79

wow...10 yrs to get a another trial. madrchsod Oct 2013 #2

Yeah, well too bad. He certainly acted guilty. Think of all the years Martha lost. marble falls Oct 2013 #5

"acted guilty"? "Think of all the years Martha lost"? pnwmom Oct 2013 #7

You don't think the lost years that Martha lost speaks for some sort of justice...... marble falls Oct 2013 #11

The years she lost doesn't mean someone should be convicted pnwmom Oct 2013 #13

And he'll admit guilt to a lesser charge at best, jump bond at worst. He's not walking.... marble falls Oct 2013 #16

He did it Scairp Oct 2013 #28

And he used a 6 Iron to beat her skull in warrant46 Oct 2013 #30

None of his DNA or fingerprints or hair or fiber pnwmom Oct 2013 #51

I guess its up to the Jury again warrant46 Oct 2013 #52

Despite the family money, this defendant did not hire even pnwmom Oct 2013 #53

An alibi defense in my state requires a defendant to file a Notice Of Alibi warrant46 Oct 2013 #55

How come you only saw a couple of these filed? pnwmom Oct 2013 #60

Not many alibis in most criminal cases warrant46 Oct 2013 #63

this is incorrect inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #102

No, that isn't it. pnwmom Nov 2013 #103

I was responding to this quote by you inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #104

What is incorrect? The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense pnwmom Nov 2013 #105

THIS is incorrect: The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #107

"An" alibi defense isn't sufficient. Sherman failed to put on pnwmom Nov 2013 #108

you mean alibi witness, not defense - there was an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #110

No, it doesn't come down to believing what Michael told Sherman. pnwmom Nov 2013 #111

you don't know what you are talking about inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #112

I should have said that the Grand Jury testimony put Sherman on notice. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

No one had any reason to believe he could alibi Michael. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #115

It was up to the defense attorney never to assume anything. pnwmom Nov 2013 #116

If you read the previously posted case law cited by the State's Attorney, Susann Gill, inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #118

The previously posted case is irrelevant because the judge's ruling now pnwmom Nov 2013 #120

The judge's decision is being challenged. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #122

This judge has written an extremely strong decision. pnwmom Nov 2013 #123

They never found the grip end of the golf club inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #94

True. But that doesn't change the fact that we don't know pnwmom Nov 2013 #96

unlike the tutor and the gardener.... inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #98

There is no reliable report that he did so. When you only weigh pnwmom Nov 2013 #99

It's not hard inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #109

Three people said he was in the next town, watching a movie. pnwmom Oct 2013 #31

Sorry, that is bullshit Scairp Oct 2013 #37

Your "case" is bullshit. The fact that the cops did a poor job on the case pnwmom Oct 2013 #38

You do understand what you are doing right? Scairp Oct 2013 #42

I'm taking the side of someone who is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. pnwmom Oct 2013 #44

didn't he admitt that climbed a tree and masturbated while peeping in her window? nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #47

That isn't murder, is it? And that tree was 300 yards pnwmom Oct 2013 #49

so that is his alibi? "I was on the other side of the house peeping in a window and arely staircase Oct 2013 #57

No, his alibi is that he was in a different town at the time the DA says pnwmom Oct 2013 #58

ok arely staircase Oct 2013 #66

Dominick Dunne ran basically a hate campaign pnwmom Oct 2013 #67

Dunne kind of had a dog in this fight Scairp Oct 2013 #75

different versions different trees inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #114

Yes Scairp Oct 2013 #68

The tree was 300 yards away from the tree near where she was found. pnwmom Oct 2013 #77

This is incorrect. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #119

On the opposite side of the very big house from where Michael pnwmom Nov 2013 #121

more than an hour after her death? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #124

By the state of her stomach contents, the death was no later than 10 p.m. pnwmom Nov 2013 #125

They need not agree on the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #126

But they wouldn't be able to agree that he was the killer pnwmom Nov 2013 #127

What other witnesses? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #128

You didn't bother to read the judge's opinion, did you? pnwmom Nov 2013 #129

I thought you were still discussing the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #130

Have you read the opinion yet? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #131

Of course, I have. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #132

Lie detector tests are bullshit alarimer Oct 2013 #73

Fine. There were 5 witnesses and we can pretend there were no pnwmom Oct 2013 #74

Lie detector tests are bullshit - yes they are inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #87

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #88

Hey! They're as accurate as a shiny new dime! rock Nov 2013 #91

No he did not. He put himself up in a tree 300 yards away pnwmom Oct 2013 #50

Mickey Sherman did present an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #89

because they spent those years appealing for various other reasons TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #83

Michael Sherman was a showboating fool, and that trial was a joke alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #3

"in all likelihood guilty"? It never seemed that way to me. pnwmom Oct 2013 #8

I always seriously doubted his guilt. liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #25

+1,000,000 n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #36

You're right Warpy Oct 2013 #34

Agree sbout Sherman. I followed that trial. yardwork Oct 2013 #80

I wonder how many poor people get retrials because their lawyer sucked BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #4

That was my first thought. nt madinmaryland Oct 2013 #6

Many try and a few succeed. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #17

They're not eligible..... BronxBoy Oct 2013 #40

Probably not nearly enough. But when someone with money pnwmom Oct 2013 #45

I'm very glad about this I never thought he was guilty in the first place Rene Oct 2013 #9

Me neither, I'm equally glad liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #26

Weren't Mark Furman and Lucienne Goldberg Rozlee Oct 2013 #10

Dominick Dunne nt ANOIS Oct 2013 #12

Him, too. And also Jeffrey Toobin, who had his ass handed to him tonight duffyduff Oct 2013 #24

Furman wrote a book pointing the finger at Michael TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #85

THE Mark Fuhrman?! KamaAina Nov 2013 #133

*Fume* Rozlee Nov 2013 #134

Derp. KamaAina Nov 2013 #135

Robert Kennedy makes a very strong case for Skakel's innocence here: pnwmom Oct 2013 #14

And that's why we don't allow family on juries. Michael also admitted guilt to his father. marble falls Oct 2013 #18

Have you read the article? Kennedy made a very detailed case. pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

You are correct. There was reasonable doubt all over this case. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #23

Family friend Mildred �Aunt Cissy� Ix told the grand juror: inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #90

Third hand testimony from someone who couldn't remember pnwmom Nov 2013 #92

She claims her best friend's husband told her inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #93

He dressed Toobin down tonight, and Toobin had to backtrack a bit duffyduff Oct 2013 #22

If every murder case.. sendero Oct 2013 #54

I'm sure it seems like an awfully long time for him, too. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #59

The Kennedy menfolk look out for each other. nt Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #56

Thanks, read the entire piece and then his father's take on gambling in 1962. Much to think about. freshwest Oct 2013 #82

Corrections by prosecutor Benedict, attorney, Eugene J. Riccio, and Greentown author, Tim Dumas inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #95

Well, the judge agrees with the defense that Sherman didn't pnwmom Nov 2013 #97

huh? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #100

I was responding to your very first point: that Sherman pnwmom Nov 2013 #101

This is incorrect. Skakel did not accuse Sherman of failing to pursue an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #106

Good. That was a witchhunt by media solely because this guy was a "Kennedy" cousin. duffyduff Oct 2013 #20

There is zero evidence that anyone other than Michael Skakel killed Martha Moxley. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #27

There were no fingerprints, DNA, or witnesses that connected pnwmom Oct 2013 #32

There is zero evidence Skakel did it. This was a media-orchestrated witchhunt. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #35

Finally Scairp Oct 2013 #43

Then there's also zero evidence that anyone other than I killed her, too. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #84

The burden of proof . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #117

Did the almost Kennedy admit it or not? Redford Oct 2013 #41

No, he didn't. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #65

Was there ever any doubt that they would eventually find a judge to make this ruling? hughee99 Oct 2013 #46

He will be found guilty again, as his own words damned him, irrevocably. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #48

No, they didn't. And 5 witnesses put him in the next town pnwmom Oct 2013 #61

Yes--they did. You forget that Michael Skakel taped the book proposal where msanthrope Oct 2013 #62

What you don't realize is that he put himself in a different tree pnwmom Oct 2013 #64

I don't think Mickey Sherman believed the alibi defense, and I think he refused to suborn perjury. msanthrope Oct 2013 #71

Well, at this point he's legally innocent till proven guilty. pnwmom Oct 2013 #72

I bet he regrets masturbating in the tree (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #86

Poor lawyer treestar Oct 2013 #69

"Media" has hounded the Kennedy family... Mike Nelson Oct 2013 #76

Just another case of if one is... MicaelS Oct 2013 #78

That should be the standard in all trials: freshwest Oct 2013 #81