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Snowden Leak: The NSA Has Been Monitoring Phone Calls of 35 World Leaders [View all] Hissyspit Oct 2013 OP

As I always say Comrade Eddie... SoapBox Oct 2013 #1

Anybody can say shut the fuck up to anyone. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #4

You're embarrassed by the USA's actions, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #6

I'm not embarrassed by his actions and I'm not naive enough pnwmom Oct 2013 #25

'His' actions? You blame this specifically on Obama, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #35

Didn't we all just assume this years ago? brush Oct 2013 #36

Leaders of allied countries, such as Germany, don't expect to be treated like Cold War suspects muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #41

You think they're not spying too . . . brush Oct 2013 #51

Pollard has spent decades in prison for it muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #70

"And yeah, I don't think any ally is trying to tap Obama's phone calls." gcomeau Oct 2013 #72

I'd be shocked if Israel weren't trying. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #75

My point is that . . . brush Oct 2013 #81

Comrade? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #9

Yes, dont you hate it when your denial bubble is burst? So much easier when rhett o rick Oct 2013 #12

This has nothing to do with the NSA violating our Constitution. pnwmom Oct 2013 #26

The post I was responding to called Snowden a Russian. That is a typical rhett o rick Oct 2013 #42

And Snowden's leaking info about our spying does nothing to solve the problem pnwmom Oct 2013 #43

It certainly brought it attention that apparently was impossible for the rhett o rick Oct 2013 #49

Both are wrong debunkthis Oct 2013 #109

What US laws make spying on international targets illegal? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #110

As I recall debunkthis Oct 2013 #116

Right. We would extradite our own spies to the country pnwmom Oct 2013 #117

In this case, I'm in favor of doing just that debunkthis Oct 2013 #119

Um, folk in denial bubbles about the scummy nature of the Bush gang usually don't post here struggle4progress Oct 2013 #125

"The Bush Gang" is still in power in the NSA. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #131

The link in the OP is about things that happened in 2006 or before. Perhaps you think it's cute struggle4progress Oct 2013 #133

When you have nothing to add you just have to resort to yelling "Obama-bashing". rhett o rick Oct 2013 #136

After this, world leaders will be saying, Shut up, Comrade from America, you've got no cred . . . JDPriestly Oct 2013 #13

who the fuck are you? frylock Oct 2013 #20

Damn straight. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #55

Why don't we ALL STFU gholtron Oct 2013 #56

no, the red baiter upthread can fucking jam it frylock Oct 2013 #74

Well if Europe now ceases to play ball on SWIFT dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #33

he has more than you do stupidicus Oct 2013 #50

ok I don't agree with wireless surveillance ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #2

A lot of these countries MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #5

That isn't what I said ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #8

Not to the extent that we are. The East Germans would have loved this stuff. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #16

Stop making sense! It is only USA that is "evil" doncha know!!! MADem Oct 2013 #38

Where is your evidence ronnie624 Oct 2013 #103

Enemies? Really? I guess Reagan shouldn't have bothered, then! MADem Oct 2013 #106

You have none, I see, lol. n/t ronnie624 Oct 2013 #111

I can't help it if you won't read. nt MADem Oct 2013 #115

You can't help it if you can't post evidence ronnie624 Oct 2013 #118

They haven't been caught. That doesn't mean they haven't done it, or tried. MADem Oct 2013 #120

Thanks for the advise. I'll give it the consideration it merits. n/t ronnie624 Oct 2013 #121

So is it your theory that foreign surveillance of Obama's phone has been detected Ace Acme Oct 2013 #79

If it were revealed that France, Germany, Italy or the UK were tapping Obama's phone Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #96

I think the shit storm is deserved but I also think that if they had the technology they would be ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #132

Either they aren't Ash_F Oct 2013 #139

Well, nobody said Empire was going to be easy...or even legal. libdem4life Oct 2013 #3

Is the NSA monitoring Obama's calls? dkf Oct 2013 #7

What's to stop them? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #14

The fact that government employees can be as cut-throat in career matters as anyone else: blowing struggle4progress Oct 2013 #126

So if a government employee or an employee of a contractor working for the government rhett o rick Oct 2013 #128

What I said was: if the NSA were revealed to be involved in unauthorized wire-tapping of elected struggle4progress Oct 2013 #129

Yes heads would roll but only of the person that tried to expose the spying. It rhett o rick Oct 2013 #130

If the NSA spied on Congress, the NSA would immediately be neck-deep in shit. If the NSA spied struggle4progress Oct 2013 #134

"which is a good indication that your own analysis is careless and sloppy" If my analysis rhett o rick Oct 2013 #135

I'd lay money on it and everybody else in gov't to boot. eom Purveyor Oct 2013 #21

According to NSA whistleblower Russ Tice, they've been monitoring Obama since 2004 davidn3600 Oct 2013 #30

Began during W's term Newsjock Oct 2013 #10

I still don't understand why there was scant discussion Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #11

I for one was horrified. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #17

Because Manning didn't actually "reveal" anything like that struggle4progress Oct 2013 #94

It's like we've gone rogue... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #15

Our employers spy on us bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #19

We are NOT these other countries' employers, though. CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #23

I don't think it's such a bizarre comparison DaveJ Oct 2013 #28

+1,000! KoKo Oct 2013 #31

You do not obviously choose to do this bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #57

Because you can choose christx30 Oct 2013 #24

I see opportunity bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #18

Typewriters Log Out PCs In Anti-Espionage Operations Amidst Wire-Tapping, Snooping Era Purveyor Oct 2013 #22

The Russians are doing the same, back to square one jakeXT Oct 2013 #27

I read about the Russians but couldn't find copy on it. BTW...has anyone tried to use a typewriter Purveyor Oct 2013 #29

Purveyor Diclotican Oct 2013 #37

Is that a typewriter where you write one line, confirm it and then it prints it ? jakeXT Oct 2013 #54

jakeXT Diclotican Oct 2013 #60

The last time I used one was probably as a child, just for fun jakeXT Oct 2013 #53

I still have a pretty nice one. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #77

The Russians favor typewriters Ace Acme Oct 2013 #80

Let's all get really really angry at Obama again for stuff Bush did! struggle4progress Oct 2013 #32

Obama said he was not doing this. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #44

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #85

I voted for Obama in the belief he would put an end to Bush's nefarious actions. Psephos Oct 2013 #46

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #86

so what? Psephos Oct 2013 #104

Mr Obama can't issue any orders changing what happened under Bush in 2006 or before struggle4progress Oct 2013 #105

lol Psephos Oct 2013 #108

The thread is about something that happened in 2006 or before struggle4progress Oct 2013 #112

I remember people like you back in highschool. Psephos Oct 2013 #113

Anybody who's interested in what's at the link in the OP actually says, should read the link struggle4progress Oct 2013 #124

Bush HW Bush? mwooldri Oct 2013 #48

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #87

Strawman. No-one in the thread is blaming Obama for this. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #73

The memo allegedly disclosing this is dated 2006 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #89

Go ahead, point out the posts blaming Obama muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #90

Here's one, posted in this very subthread, hours before you posted in the subthread struggle4progress Oct 2013 #91

That was posted *as a reply to your post complaining about people blaming Obama* muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #92

Well, that's two strikes muriel against you: first you put words in my mouth; then you claim struggle4progress Oct 2013 #114

Damn ... that furlough reached further than I thought ... Nihil Oct 2013 #142

Mebbe ya oughta read the frickin story in the OP: it's about a 2006 memo struggle4progress Oct 2013 #143

Awww ... did I hit a nerve then little woodchuck? Nihil Oct 2013 #144

It smells wrong to me when a 2006 memo makes you angry at Obama struggle4progress Oct 2013 #145

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And we're supposed to believe 9/11 was a complete surprise? KansDem Oct 2013 #39

Of course we do. To be good Americans, we have to believe anything our government tells us. RC Oct 2013 #47

Even more, to be Good Americans we must believe exactly what we're told Maedhros Oct 2013 #78

Does anyone doubt this? nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #40

Isn't it odd how no one talked about this until the black guy was in office? melody Oct 2013 #45

Are you serious or are you simply not aware of someone called Snowden? snagglepuss Oct 2013 #52

And if you think Snowden isn't being used melody Oct 2013 #61

And don't forget Greenwald brush Oct 2013 #82

Exactly melody Oct 2013 #101

Does that make the NSA spying OK? OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #98

What does this mean? brush Oct 2013 #102

Yes, we're all racists for opposing unrestrained NSA syping. last1standing Oct 2013 #64

I won't even honor that with a response lol n/t melody Oct 2013 #65

And yet you just did. last1standing Oct 2013 #67

Really? Welcome to my ignore list n/t melody Oct 2013 #68

Awww! You accuse anyone questioning the NSA a racist then get offended when called out. last1standing Oct 2013 #69

When folk get riled at the black dude, providing as evidence stuff done in 2006 or before, some struggle4progress Oct 2013 #93

Here are the "subtle errors" I've found: last1standing Oct 2013 #95

The story is about a memo from 2006, disclosing spying at some point earlier: it's a story about struggle4progress Oct 2013 #97

It doesn't matter who's in the White House. It matters what they do in there. last1standing Oct 2013 #99

Well;, now you're simply talking from both sides of your mouth: you want Mr Obama struggle4progress Oct 2013 #107

Since all you can do is spew insults we have nothing to say. last1standing Oct 2013 #122

No one is coming after you. stonecutter357 Oct 2013 #58

K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #59

Why doesn't the rest of the world know this is a non-story from a shameless self-promoting Paulite? 1000words Oct 2013 #62

Eddie's just showing how patriotic he is. Progressive dog Oct 2013 #63

Some might say... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #100

Some would say that Progressive dog Oct 2013 #137

Oh! what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive! ~ Sir Walter Scott Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #66

Snowden Leak: Intelligence Agency Conducts Intelligence Gathering gcomeau Oct 2013 #71

The thing that makes it extra funny is that the NSA gives information to these same countries JoePhilly Oct 2013 #127

K&R n/t NealK Oct 2013 #76

Snowden is a hero. L0oniX Oct 2013 #83

Not quite. Splinter Cell Oct 2013 #140

Agent Mike agrees. L0oniX Oct 2013 #141

The "spying on Americans" outrage at least made some sense treestar Oct 2013 #84

Don't think of it as spying. Octafish Oct 2013 #88

Merkel's Call to Obama: Are You Bugging My Phone? eridani Oct 2013 #123

NSA monitoring 35 World Leaders? slackers. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2013 #138

"The memo, dated October 2006" -- This is BFEE all the way Hekate Oct 2013 #147

The two people who have released all this information did it when they COULD. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #148