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krispos42

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43. The reflexive reaction of the gun-control movement...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:05 AM
Nov 2013

...has caused a counter-reaction from the pro-guns movement, I'm afraid.

The fundamental problem that Democrats face is that making gun laws stricter does not generally make society safer, while organizing the gun-owners that are affected by the gun-control laws. And I think we can both admit that some laws that are regularly proposed are not about public safety, but about waging some kind of culture war.

Gun owners, generally speaking, get organized when they feel themselves the victim of unjust gun laws. They put money and effort into organizing politically. Non-gun-owners, though, who do not feel the effects of gun laws they advocate for, do not counter-organize. They do not turn out in large numbers to reward the politicians that make owning what they do not and will not own harder.

Naturally, the continuous efforts by anti-gun groups, primarily Democrats, to ban "assault weapons", as well as a few other treadworn proposals, has made the NRA and many gun-owners reactionary to an extent. They've achieved the mentality that every gun-law proposal will, in some hidden way, be used to deprive people forcefully of their guns. Of course, the fact that the anti-gun groups reflexively propose assault-weapon bans and magazine limits at the slightest mention in the corporate media of an AR-15 doesn't help either.

I finally read the Metcalf editorial in G&A today, and see nothing wrong with it. He is pointing out that a concealed-carry permit can be thought of as an "operator's license" for a CCW pistol. I have no problem with that, and think the magazine was wrong to terminate him.

For what it's worth, in the same issue, in the letters to the editor, the magazine is heavily criticized for not being involved in the post-Newtown gun-control debate, in particular the draconian measures proposed by Senator Feinstein.


At some point in the future, there will be enough mass murders and/or political assassinations involving the use of guns to sufficiently enrage the voting public, and your side will finally lose.


What laws are being proposed that would dramatically lessen the guns-per-capita rate in the near future? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Even if things like magazine limits and "assault weapon" bans were passed, they do not affect the number of guns sold, merely the type of guns sold.

If Feinstein had suceeded in her ban on virtually all semi-automatic long guns, then the millions of people year that were buying semiautos for self-defense ("tactical&quot use will simply switch over to lever-action and pump-action guns with the same features... AR-15 and AK-47 magazines, nonreflective black finishes, quick-adjustable buttstocks, flash hiders, mounting rails for tactical flashlights and laser sights and holographic sights, etc.

Or handguns. You know, the guns used in 65% of all murders?

What really irritates me is that the "we have to get rid of the guns!" mentality is preventing so much action on the root causes of crime and violence.

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"I WANT TO USE MY GUNS IRRESPONSIBLY, DAMMIT!!! FIRE THIS GUY!!!" Aristus Nov 2013 #1
"I WANT EVERYONE TO USE GUNS IRRESPONSIBLY" tblue Nov 2013 #11
The truth hurts Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #2
"Fired" takes on a whole new meaning ... zbdent Nov 2013 #3
Ignorance, like water billh58 Nov 2013 #4
The comments on yahoo news are funny (sad) as hell. russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #5
"Slippy slope" "Cancel my prescription" tblue Nov 2013 #12
Dicks & Testosterone Magazine... Blue Owl Nov 2013 #6
I wish more gun owners felt the same way, and more Democrats would come out like McAuliffe. Hoyt Nov 2013 #7
Most gun owners do feel this way NickB79 Nov 2013 #29
That is true, but I think we need more than background checks. Hoyt Nov 2013 #32
gunfuckers are the biggest bunch of chickenshits on the planet.. frylock Nov 2013 #8
"You can pry my dick from my cold, dead hands, Metcalf...." TheCowsCameHome Nov 2013 #9
Peterson Publications are ... bayareaboy Nov 2013 #10
"We don't want you using your 1st Amendment rights meanit Nov 2013 #13
As a gun owner, I say, what a bunch of damn idiots. nt 7962 Nov 2013 #14
Now ......how could I ever tell you were a gun owner/fancier/hugger by that 'handle"? rdharma Nov 2013 #18
You mean "7962"? That was my roster number in the military. Whats it got to do with guns? 7962 Nov 2013 #20
Sure it was! rdharma Nov 2013 #21
I asked you to show me a correlation between my name and weaponry. You can't. 7962 Nov 2013 #25
Were you thinking of 7.62 perhaps? Nt hack89 Nov 2013 #47
I used to work for Intermedia Publishing, RebelOne Nov 2013 #15
Vivid additional evidence of a national sickness. Paladin Nov 2013 #16
they don't care Skittles Nov 2013 #23
His definition of "gun control"... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #17
What sniveling cowards. /nt Ash_F Nov 2013 #19
Metcalf will probably have to sleep in a bulletproof vest for years to come... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #22
When you stick a bunch of like minded people together One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #24
Or non-gun people krispos42 Nov 2013 #26
Gun pushers have earned the contempt of all civilized mankind coldmountain Nov 2013 #27
Perhaps. krispos42 Nov 2013 #40
Trying to rhetorically change weapons to hardware, maybe you should change swords to plows instead coldmountain Nov 2013 #45
Gun rights advocates earn that caricature status on a regular basis. Paladin Nov 2013 #31
Exactly. Great response. Hoyt Nov 2013 #33
Waiting for things to get worse so they can then get better... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #36
The reflexive reaction of the gun-control movement... krispos42 Nov 2013 #43
I agree that the focus needs to be on handguns. Hoyt Nov 2013 #48
Not very much krispos42 Nov 2013 #49
Yeah, we get it, Krispos42 Paladin Nov 2013 #50
Do you honestly think people are responsible if attracted to "tactical" weapons outside a war zone? Hoyt Nov 2013 #51
Yes. krispos42 Nov 2013 #53
Yeah, like some of your buddies "optimize their gunz" in case they have to clear a room. Hoyt Nov 2013 #54
They'll never admit it, but they're the flip side of those they belittle and insult friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #35
Is "xenophobia" really the word you wanted to use? Just curious. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #37
Yes. They see gun owners as "The Other", and thus a threat friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #38
OK. Your definition of "xenophobic" differs from mine. Paladin Nov 2013 #39
I've always found you to be one of the more rational posters friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #41
How sad that things have gotten to this state. Paladin Nov 2013 #46
The guy has no backbone davidpdx Nov 2013 #28
Metcalf never apologized, the editor did NickB79 Nov 2013 #30
Ok, I see davidpdx Nov 2013 #44
Guns & Ammo. They need to sell that cruddy rag behind the counter. Hoyt Nov 2013 #34
Openly stating their desire to be irresponsible... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #42
If the right to keep and bear arms were an absolute, your neighbor could have a nuke. Nine Nov 2013 #52
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