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JDPriestly

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13. The question is causation. Does the corporal punishment CAUSE the failure of the child in school.
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

Or is the corporal punishment a RESPONSE to the failure of the child in school.

Every child, regardless of race or economic background needs three years of pre-school to prepare it for the rigors of classroom life.

That's what children get in Germany and Austria and a lot of other countries in which gradeschool classrooms are calmer and more orderly than in urban America.

It isn't the school that is unsafe, it is the children (not necessarily of any particular race) who are unprepared for the sitting, the need to pay attention, the distractions of the other children, the order that is necessary in the classroom and, in some cases, the listening and learning and participation skills children need in school.

All it takes is one child who is unable to cope with the stress of sitting still for a lesson and you have a class that is impossible to manage. Then, some child, not necessarily the immature one, gets blamed. Teacher is frustrated and angry. And someone gets punished.

But it isn't in my view the act of punishment, it is the situation that led to the punishment that is the problem.

Obama has a plan for preschool education for all children. Let's adopt it.

These kinds of studies can show a correlation, but they cannot exclude other potential causes and therefore do not definitively show causation.

Beyond that, I generally oppose corporal punishment.

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At every opportunity they get pushed back by the system. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #1
As a former teacher, I'm not at all surprised by this. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #2
Knock me down with a feather n/t the_sly_pig Nov 2013 #3
racism is systemic heaven05 Nov 2013 #4
Positive reinforcement works much better. bemildred Nov 2013 #5
It was child abuse when I saw my third grade classmates paddled mountain grammy Nov 2013 #6
Fuckers beat me with a board sorefeet Nov 2013 #7
The problem is the immaturity of children when they start school. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #16
Sorry to hear about that. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #23
Sadist who likes to hurt children Kolesar Nov 2013 #26
How about we just give up our children at birth to those who think they can do it better? Android3.14 Nov 2013 #8
this is school-based corporal puishment d_r Nov 2013 #9
This article is about paddling children *by school officials, in school* antigone382 Nov 2013 #10
Awww, look. They wrote a whole book about people with ideas such as those. jtuck004 Nov 2013 #12
Gee, ya think? TBF Nov 2013 #11
The question is causation. Does the corporal punishment CAUSE the failure of the child in school. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #13
best post in this thread n/t Psephos Nov 2013 #14
it doesn't directly answer your question d_r Nov 2013 #15
How common is corporal punishment in the schools? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #17
CA: apple, Alabama: orange. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #18
Did the study or article explain why California is apples and Alabama oranges? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #20
You just explained it upthread. California doesn't allow corporal punishment. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #21
19 states allow corporal punishment d_r Nov 2013 #19
Studies prove the point Duppers Nov 2013 #22
Yeah, sadly, that is true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #24
Akin to beatings in southern prisons, IMHO eom Kolesar Nov 2013 #27
Or on quite a few antebellum plantations. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #31
And to think it only took getting to the 21st century for us to figure this out. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #25
always better to appeal to their minds and not their behinds. olddad56 Nov 2013 #28
Here is a youtube video d_r Nov 2013 #29
I had no idea they still paddled in schools Marrah_G Nov 2013 #30
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