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83. Although that may be the content of the debate in your country, it has little to do

Reply to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

Nov 2013

with what is discussed in Venezuela.

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Maduro urges calm as Venezuelans jam stores again [View all] Zorro Nov 2013 OP

business is good! strong demand! ..nt quadrature Nov 2013 #1

See Maduro fans? Socialism works! Archae Nov 2013 #2

Socialism, Communism ... same thing, right? 1000words Nov 2013 #4

Well then. We can all go home now because Venezuela is just like North Korea and Soviet Russia. pa28 Nov 2013 #5

A hell of a lot better than Venezuela, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #20

Why do the stories keep talking about TVs? That other stuff is more important. freshwest Nov 2013 #50

Those countries aren't being interfered with bitchkitty Nov 2013 #55

Ooooooooh, the big bad boogie man to explain the train wreck that Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #71

14 years of chavismo got Ven to where it is today Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #72

Why did all that happen? Nationalization should have paid for all of that. freshwest Nov 2013 #146

Not if oil production steadily declines hack89 Nov 2013 #156

US interventionism ronnie624 Nov 2013 #100

the US hasn't forced Maduro to rule by decree or maintain a failed economic policy n/t Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #102

No one is forcing VZ to make very poor economic decisions hack89 Nov 2013 #103

Epic fail. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #105

Bankrupt? Once again, where did the money go? freshwest Nov 2013 #150

They spent it hack89 Nov 2013 #157

Declining oil production while Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #158

Pulsa Merica: "IMF says Venezuela’s economic situation is ‘not sustainable’" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #106

the US is the debbil! that's it i'm throwing down. dionysus Nov 2013 #121

Yup. It's always us. Any world leader that's in trouble at home, can always divert by blaming.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #123

'Course.....we did that bad thing somewhere... EX500rider Nov 2013 #128

Ya got that right! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #133

Back in 1953? bitchkitty Nov 2013 #174

It reminds me of the Iraq War cheerleaders. There must be a war. Where is it? freshwest Nov 2013 #142

Members of OPEC, huge exporter of oil, nationalized the goodies... WTF? freshwest Nov 2013 #144

And as for freedom of the press? It exists only in the minds of the Snowdenistas. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #108

you're darn tootin it was! dionysus Nov 2013 #124

EVIL! EVIL, I say! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #127

I keep hearing that in the voice of the old lady in a Doctor Who episode. Campy, but scary. freshwest Nov 2013 #145

I know, bad us, buying their oil and all...n/t EX500rider Nov 2013 #126

Those are democracies. Venezuela is NOT a Democracy dbackjon Nov 2013 #26

The Democracy watchers sent by the U.N. and other voter dotymed Nov 2013 #75

So, you're asserting that the reason their economy is coming apart at the seams Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #77

CARTER CENTER warns about unfairness of Venezuelan elections spanza Nov 2013 #78

that is not what the Carter Center said during the last election Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #80

"aggressively trying to topple" EX500rider Nov 2013 #130

LOL. Let me know when I can move to that Norwegian hellhole... freshwest Nov 2013 #46

Last month it was proven dotymed Nov 2013 #13

No it was not hack89 Nov 2013 #15

^^^^^^^^^ *****THIS, exactly!**** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ MADem Nov 2013 #53

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10109 dotymed Nov 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Nov 2013 #67

A mini-mart hoarding 3800 rolls of toilet paper is your proof? hack89 Nov 2013 #69

Holy Acronym! seveneyes Nov 2013 #97

"Read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" EX500rider Nov 2013 #132

Come over here to this woodshed! RedCloud Nov 2013 #161

I like this, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #3

Feeling low in the polls? Fearless Nov 2013 #6

Wow, your third wankfest in as many days! bitchkitty Nov 2013 #7

A masturbation reference? Really? And a personal attack? That's all you can come up with? MADem Nov 2013 #9

Don't I recall seeing references to excretory functions from you? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #23

I don't call DUers "shit." And I don't think calling 'em "jerk-offs" is terribly cool, either. MADem Nov 2013 #34

Golly. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #28

any thoughts on the "revolucion" these days or you just gonna wank yourself? n/t Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #29

So, anyone who disagrees with your POV is a masturbator? Real nice. nt MADem Nov 2013 #35

Well, there's always mental masturbation. No sex involved. I think... freshwest Nov 2013 #48

No. Only the wankers who start wankfest. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #54

... MADem Nov 2013 #56

No. I am calling a spade a spade. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #57

No you aren't--you're using crude language and accusing people who don't MADem Nov 2013 #58

No. I haven't called you a right winger, have I? bitchkitty Nov 2013 #59

Well, gee--you wasted no time, there, I see. Real classy. MADem Nov 2013 #62

If one chooses to hang out with bitchkitty Nov 2013 #64

Yet you obviously gain great pleasure gleefully participating in these wankfests you criticize Zorro Nov 2013 #79

It's turned into a dogfight. I don't even remember the topic now. TVs? freshwest Nov 2013 #148

Well, I think people can disagree without being disagreeable, or calling people petty names. MADem Nov 2013 #151

Elections are coming. joshcryer Nov 2013 #11

Like we didn't know Socialism fails when Capitalists get their hands on it. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #8

But capitalism doesn't fail when socialists get their hands on it? Psephos Nov 2013 #30

The US determined long ago to reduce the rest of the hemisphere into it's "backyard". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

Not that I'd argue with that, but it's a non sequitur. n/t Psephos Nov 2013 #38

Tell that to the victims of the "School of the Americas". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #40

The pattern for treatment of leftist governments has been repeated endlessly. Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #44

More to consider, same article: Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #45

The USSR failed due to a boycott by the West. This is the playbook for Venezuela... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #51

Economic war with continual propaganda is much easier to accomplish, Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #52

Desperation wages and no vote? What's not for Republicans to love? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #91

"The USSR failed due to a boycott by the West. This is the playbook for Venezuela.." EX500rider Nov 2013 #134

And the hits against the Chavezistas apologists talking points keep on coming. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #136

It's the IMPORTS that matter.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #137

Yes and they currently import.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #138

That must come as a blow to UNICEF. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #139

So shall it be written! ronnie624 Nov 2013 #141

Same attitude reflected by Richard Nixon's bloody, filthy puppet dictator, Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #42

Yup, and Henrique Capriles Radonski would have brought freedom,...by locking people up. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #43

Absolutely. He's precisely their kind of guy. Creepy. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #47

He's really wishing China gave that loan right about now. joshcryer Nov 2013 #10

What's the t-shirt-color of those "volunteer civilian militiamen"? Brown? DetlefK Nov 2013 #12

This wont end well... Gary 50 Nov 2013 #14

Nah, I don't think he's got the country organized well enough for that. And not saying he would. freshwest Nov 2013 #147

ROFL, I wonder if this dude actually believes what he says- snooper2 Nov 2013 #16

Chavismo is all about the cheap LED HD tvs, what more can you ask? Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #17

The focus on consumer electronics seems odd. A lot left out of these stories. freshwest Nov 2013 #49

Will it impact us? bobGandolf Nov 2013 #18

Very little hack89 Nov 2013 #19

Ah, the old devil Oil packman Nov 2013 #21

No impact on the USA whatsoever. Socialistlemur Nov 2013 #32

We "buy" their oil to refine it and send it on, to a very great extent. MADem Nov 2013 #36

Not exactly. Citgo sells in the US. spanza Nov 2013 #81

no, Venezuela imports gasoline from the US Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #84

Bacchus, Venezuela has around 3/5 of the refining capacity for the whole country's consumption spanza Nov 2013 #89

Another basic economic lesson they have failed hack89 Nov 2013 #85

the subsidy also just benefits the car owning segment of society which is not poor n/t Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #87

3. People drive 30 year-old cars which use 1 liter/ 3km, pollution and traffic jams multiply spanza Nov 2013 #90

4. Smugglers haul as much as they can across the border. n/t EX500rider Nov 2013 #135

I'm not saying they don't have the reserves, but they do have a problem getting to them. MADem Nov 2013 #149

I don't understand, with all that oil, they'd have an unemployment, poverty, crime, etc. problem. freshwest Nov 2013 #152

They can't get to the oil because they haven't maintained the wells and fields. MADem Nov 2013 #154

Thanks so much for answering that, best yet on the thread. Sans ideology, great answer. freshwest Nov 2013 #171

What I don't understand is why Venezuela excites such scorn and derision. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #22

What I don't understand is the fanatical Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #24

Venezuelan people are great--it's Maduro that is a thief and the head crony. MADem Nov 2013 #37

I agree - they're wonderful. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #60

They haven't been allowed to pick their own leader, and you know that. MADem Nov 2013 #63

Oh, the election was stolen. I see... bitchkitty Nov 2013 #65

No, those were purchased, not stolen. nt MADem Nov 2013 #143

How does Venezuela compare with, say, Mexico or Honduras or Colombia? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #104

in terms of what? Those countries do not lack toilet paper Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #114

Even Mexico, with their drug cartels, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #116

thats correct, over the past few years we hear of the horrible violence in Mexico Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #117

Mexican grocery stores are well stocked with staples like flour and chickens, too, MADem Nov 2013 #167

You can't really blame them for attempting to place the blame for the state of the economy Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #168

IF USA really wanted to screw with them, they could do it. MADem Nov 2013 #169

It's not Venezuela, it's Maduro Socialistlemur Nov 2013 #31

I don't think it is VEN. as much as it is the President of the country. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #39

Whom they elected. n/t bitchkitty Nov 2013 #61

Yep, and you gets what you pays for, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #74

Then why was Chavez bitchkitty Nov 2013 #86

Because he promised the poor everything at the expense of the better off. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #88

So it was only the poor who voted for Chavez. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #107

Yep they seem to prefer leftist leaders, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

But that's their economy, not ours. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #110

And I don't see our govt telling them how to run their economy either, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #111

If you don't think that our bitchkitty Nov 2013 #112

We don't need to interfere in Ven. domestic affairs, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #115

Take off the blinders, bitchkitty. This has been predicted for years, and claims that this is a US Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #118

This person and a few others are desperately trying to defend Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #119

It is pretty pathetic, at this point. Chavez was just a much better salesman than Maduro. The..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #122

So the US influenced VZ domestic policy making hack89 Nov 2013 #120

Yep, and we made them not maintain or expand their electric capacity too! nt EX500rider Nov 2013 #164

Didn't bother to learn anything about what the U.S. did to Chile Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #125

So America tricked VZ into implementing disasterous domestic policies? hack89 Nov 2013 #129

Wow, you dredge up something that happened in the 70's, in Chile, not even Ven., as proof Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #131

You hope to claim the U.S. wouldn't do anything it has already done? Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #140

Bogus information? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #159

"You hope to claim the U.S. wouldn't do anything it has already done?" EX500rider Nov 2013 #165

You have to go back to Dead Dick Nixon to try to "prove" your point? MADem Nov 2013 #166

Well I still think the issue is the President, not the people. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #101

Don't you know Capitalism is a RELIGION? Anything else is EVIL. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #41

The irony it's that VZ depends on capitalism to feed its people hack89 Nov 2013 #68

Face it. This is a stick up. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #92

Agreed. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #94

I think Maduro is simply in over his head and desperate hack89 Nov 2013 #96

He really don't seem to have much of a clue penultimate Nov 2013 #162

Same conditions existed before his death, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #163

Although that may be the content of the debate in your country, it has little to do spanza Nov 2013 #83

The discusion coming out of the walled communities sounds like the Tea Party. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #93

I visited your country in the 70's with the U.S. Navy, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #95

Thanks a lot Ranchemp spanza Nov 2013 #98

It was very enlightening, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #99

It depends from what perspective spanza Nov 2013 #82

It's because they've been "given" so much. MADem Nov 2013 #155

Fascism is never the answer dbackjon Nov 2013 #25

What a train wreck that guy is. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #27

I think the VZ leaders have been tryng to do the right thing by the people Marrah_G Nov 2013 #70

Poor Venezuela, it's a shadow of its former self. Beacool Nov 2013 #73

Back in the early 70's, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #76

My dad was a Seabee in WW2. Didn't know they'd go to Venezuela. It sounds great. freshwest Nov 2013 #153

It was great, beautiful country, great people. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Nov 2013 #170

I'm sorry to hear about your dad's passing when you were 13. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #172

TY. Your reply had me stumped. He never mentioned the term 'plank owners.' freshwest Nov 2013 #173

Your dad sounds like an amazing man. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #175

Thanks, Sheshe. freshwest Nov 2013 #176

Obviously, Maduro should not call for violence McXorsett Nov 2013 #113