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168. I agree with some of what you say.

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 02:26 PM

Dec 2013

Certainly, Palestine is not completely innocent. Of course, all criticism of Israel and Palestine should be accompanied with a caveat about assigning responsibility for the actions of governments or terrorist groups to populations at large.

However, Israel does in fact have a powerful lobby in the US, with much more political and cultural sway than Palestine. I don't believe that pointing this out is anti-semitism.

And I flat-out disagree with your claim that there is a lot of anti-semitism on DU. There is a lot of criticism of Israel on DU. Some of it may be unfair, and some of it may be based on oversimplifications. But, if Israel were a Christian nation rather than Jewish one, there would be exactly the same amount of criticism, with the same amount of unfairness and oversimplification.

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Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis [View all] dipsydoodle Dec 2013 OP

Roger, don't use the 'n' word. truthisfreedom Dec 2013 #1

Hey, if Israel's jackboots fit... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #42

Wow - stunning comment oberliner Dec 2013 #67

Does the IDF wear sandals when they JackRiddler Dec 2013 #78

Interesting here you agreed that Waters did not actually say Nazi's azurnoir Dec 2013 #140

Oh boy! icymist Dec 2013 #215

Hey Tel Aviv DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #2

That's a pretty gross distortion of the situation WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #33

How dare the Palestinians... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #35

by launching rockets and suicide bombers into civilian areas? Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #44

Well Alittleliberal Dec 2013 #56

nothing like blowing up a school bus or a nightclub to win your rebellion Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #61

Or Nelson Mandela... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #114

Please explain. You're comparing Nelson Mandela to Boko Harem and the Nazis Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #115

Or Menachem Begin...how soon they forget. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #206

By your reasoning, they should also rebel against Jordan, Lebanon, etc 7962 Dec 2013 #58

Jordan did give Palestinians a country. Archae Dec 2013 #88

Great points. I just dont get it either. 7962 Dec 2013 #95

Why? Because Arafat tried to overthrown the Jordanian and Lebanonese governments. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #116

What I dont get is the constant "blame Israel" chorus. No one ever criticizes the Arab countries. 7962 Dec 2013 #153

You don't 'get it' because ... mallard Dec 2013 #228

If the Israelis wanted to, they could grab ALL the land. And WHAT "taboo"? 7962 Dec 2013 #230

"If the Israelis wanted to, they could grab ALL the land. " They still may. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #234

Maps of the West Bank are starting to look a lot like those of the American West KamaAina Dec 2013 #241

Although I disagree that Palestinians are solely to blame for ... mallard Dec 2013 #258

I dont believe its ALL their fault; I mentioned the fact that Israel has their share of screw ups 7962 Dec 2013 #261

Nice lies. The Stranger Dec 2013 #255

Oh, kinda like Israel not being on any Arab maps? You dont agree, so I'm telling "lies". Ha. 7962 Dec 2013 #257

So now you're doing it too. The Stranger Dec 2013 #262

Yes, thats exactly what I said(?). I dont know why I referenced them several times in my comments. 7962 Dec 2013 #263

"it is by no objective means comparable to Nazism." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #55

Because that's exactly what the Nazis were known for. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #165

They justified it with rampant nationalism, claiming God was with them and,.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #172

They are known for both. DanTex Dec 2013 #179

Israel has very real plans sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #60

Where did you hear that? RoccoR5955 Dec 2013 #63

You may as well save your time. People on this board The Stranger Dec 2013 #251

True to an extent. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #254

The occupation is why there is a conflict. It is why there is extremism. The Stranger Dec 2013 #256

This is definitely not true oberliner Dec 2013 #269

You're just not being honest. The Stranger Dec 2013 #273

It's definitely a factor, but don't kid yourself in thinking it's the sole cause. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #270

.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #265

Absolutely incredible oberliner Dec 2013 #68

I actually prefer Gilmour's sad solo material to Water's sad solo material. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #151

Totally agree on Gilmour's recent solo stuff. go west young man Dec 2013 #221

There Is A Reason billhicks76 Dec 2013 #204

Hey, I've (and others) been saying that for years PFunk Dec 2013 #3

Jimmy Carter would seem to agree. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #14

No he wouldn't. oberliner Dec 2013 #69

Maybe when he was President, Fuddnik Dec 2013 #99

No it was in 2006 oberliner Dec 2013 #214

Your link does not work. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #216

oberliner, you leave so much out..you agree or not with Carter? Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #212

Survivors of the the horrors of WWII PatrynXX Dec 2013 #19

Not to disagree... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #36

Yes, one can be Jewish and anti-Semitic. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #43

And I'm one of them. QuestForSense Dec 2013 #20

I agree... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #26

The only difference between the two is in degree. backscatter712 Dec 2013 #175

South african like apartheid lancer78 Dec 2013 #49

Unbelievable oberliner Dec 2013 #70

Nazi comparisons are over the top, but it's hard to dispute SA comparisons. Xithras Dec 2013 #274

It must really hit the Rabbis with a hot spike of reality... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #4

Wow oberliner Dec 2013 #71

When is the last time an anti-Jewish geek tragedy Dec 2013 #136

Not even trying to hide the anti-semitism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #135

No anti-semitism.. anti-Zionist... the new warmongers in the Middle East DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #147

Ding ding ding we have a winner 4dsc Dec 2013 #152

Sorry, you don't to sneer at 'the Rabbis' and then claim it's mere anti-zionism. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #164

The reference to "the Rabbis" referred to the Rabbis quoted in the story. DanTex Dec 2013 #181

Just out of curiousity, if you took all instances at DU wherein someone geek tragedy Dec 2013 #184

You may be right. I don't read I/P much, so I wouldn't know. DanTex Dec 2013 #185

No, not really. China is China and Putin is Putin--people geek tragedy Dec 2013 #187

Did Obama and Kerry get called racist for comparing Syria to Nazi Germany? DanTex Dec 2013 #192

They got accused of lying us into a war. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #194

Again, that's different than being accused of racism. DanTex Dec 2013 #196

Re the last question, absolutely. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #202

Great post. go west young man Dec 2013 #222

Related question. Is there any government other than Israel's that criticizing can lead to DanTex Dec 2013 #189

Criticizing Cuba or Venezuela will get you accused of being a neoliberal rightwinger. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #191

That's different than being accused of racism. DanTex Dec 2013 #193

I see it like the Tea Party types who say Obama's policies will lead to/are worse than slavery. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #195

It sounds like it is because "you" want to see it that way that go west young man Dec 2013 #223

Speaking of time and effort being wasted--last word is yours nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #237

Now your taking debate notes go west young man Dec 2013 #247

Kick MoreGOPoop Dec 2013 #5

His father was a pacifist, who was conscripted. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #15

What are you saying? bitchkitty Dec 2013 #118

A man who uses a giant pig balloon with a star of david on it Kurska Dec 2013 #6

You realize that other religious symbols are included? 1000words Dec 2013 #7

So if I slap a chevron logo on a cross burning, is that okay? n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #8

It would be provocative, that's for sure. 1000words Dec 2013 #10

Make no mistake, I think he has every right in the world to do it. Kurska Dec 2013 #12

It is known far and wide that Waters is quite an egotistical prick 1000words Dec 2013 #17

If you are attacking... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #22

Are you saying that Judaism is a tool for oppression? Kurska Dec 2013 #24

Like other religions, it often is. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #45

Calling a person's faith a tool of oppression is uncalled for, frankly. Kurska Dec 2013 #207

Who cares if its insulting? Bradical79 Dec 2013 #236

It is insulting, but it isn't rue. Kurska Dec 2013 #248

Thought you were asking in general. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #249

Quite True. Not to be confused with Spirituality, Organized Religion is specifically intended to 2banon Dec 2013 #217

Can women be rabbis? Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #210

In every branch besides orthodox, they can. Kurska Dec 2013 #219

I think Waters himself can best answer charges of being anti-semetic NobodyHere Dec 2013 #28

"I have close jewish friends" why do hateful people always say this? n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #30

Actually, the better question is... Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #40

I would assume because you can be friends with Jews fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #103

Being against Zionism is not the same as anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #105

That's like the "but I have black friends" Repubicans seattledo Dec 2013 #53

Thank you for posting that 1000words Dec 2013 #32

Actually, his ramblings about the "Jewish lobby" in the entertainment business is much more AS. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #50

An absolutely absurd comparison WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #9

Look at a map lancer78 Dec 2013 #51

I assure you that I am no supporter of the settlements WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #183

"This guy" is Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. go west young man Dec 2013 #226

I'd rather not. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #271

Israel does "surgically" to Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jewish people wholesale.... marble falls Dec 2013 #11

Yep. barbarity is barbarity, truedelphi Dec 2013 #29

Read him. But it will be difficult to get people here to even read his research and kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #66

Absolutely amazing that a person can think this oberliner Dec 2013 #72

That was so very inciteful, ober. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #211

He doesn't need to say more leftynyc Dec 2013 #231

Another book to add to my... ReRe Dec 2013 #108

Yeah other than the attempted grnocide geek tragedy Dec 2013 #126

Sam Seder interviews Max Blumenthal on Goliath NuttyFluffers Dec 2013 #259

I'll have to back Roger on this one. PatrynXX Dec 2013 #13

Did the pig also have a crescent with the star? They both abhor pork. Nazis didn't mind, though... freshwest Dec 2013 #16

Yes ... a cross, too 1000words Dec 2013 #18

A star of david, cross and a cresent, all three? freshwest Dec 2013 #23

Yup 1000words Dec 2013 #25

Ah, but did he reference Rastafari? freshwest Dec 2013 #34

Regardless of Waters, I did my small part to *honor* rastafarianism. 1000words Dec 2013 #41

He used all 3 in his recent 'Wall' tour NobodyHere Dec 2013 #31

Thanks. Pretty good reference of all the ideological, industrial and religious players. freshwest Dec 2013 #37

You're Welcome NobodyHere Dec 2013 #52

Great concert. WCLinolVir Dec 2013 #64

Yep, the pig has always been about the abuses of wealth and power... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #39

Personally... ReRe Dec 2013 #106

According to Nick Mason Roger Water's wrote that mainly with his new wife in mind. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #146

The counter punch interview... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #21

It is apparent that Israel must not know of or understand... ReRe Dec 2013 #101

It amuses me to no end... sendero Dec 2013 #178

As far as governments and groups I would agree. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #180

I agree.. sendero Dec 2013 #182

Shmuley Boteach is a notorious self-promoter starroute Dec 2013 #27

He comes from an interesting family involved in the arms business. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #112

It is perfectly legitimate to say the occupation is morally wrong. iandhr Dec 2013 #38

So when every last Palestinian is dead, then will it be OK to say it? CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #47

"So when every last Palestinian is dead, then will it be OK to say it?" EX500rider Dec 2013 #54

Wow oberliner Dec 2013 #73

The Palestinians are in no danger of being geek tragedy Dec 2013 #128

why yes. then it would be ok. but the fact remains that the Palestinian cali Dec 2013 #260

I thought it was obvious what I meant CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #266

Agree 100%. 840high Dec 2013 #65

Here's a Comparison chuckstevens Dec 2013 #46

That comparison simply demonstrates an ahistorical POV. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #48

It's an obscenely stupid one. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #131

" What was the Jewish body equivalent to Hamas that officially ruled the Warsaw Ghetto?" Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #238

Colossal fail. They were chosen by the occupiers, not the occupied. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #239

Fail yourself Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #242

The answer is that there was no equivalent. The Nazis, not the Judenrat, were geek tragedy Dec 2013 #244

There was this episode of 'Six Feet Under' postatomic Dec 2013 #57

That is the only thing from Six Feet Under that I remember... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2013 #154

The rock star has more courage than our leaders. dawn frenzy adams Dec 2013 #59

Good lord oberliner Dec 2013 #74

It actually shows just how much ant-semitism exists here on DU. It is outrageous lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #227

Literally making me nauseous (n/t) leftynyc Dec 2013 #233

For me, Roger, you're preaching to the choir. Thanks boomersense Dec 2013 #62

Seriously? oberliner Dec 2013 #75

Opinions are formed by that which we observe and learn as boomersense Dec 2013 #157

Is anyone else repulsed by some of the responses to this thread? oberliner Dec 2013 #76

Lots of over-the-top accusations here 1000words Dec 2013 #77

I've learned to expect it on DU. DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #79

I've put a bunch of racists...er..."good progressives", on full ignore tonight. abq e streeter Dec 2013 #80

If only you could be as repulsed by the hateful shit offered by your fellows in I/P Scootaloo Dec 2013 #109

lol there could about 3 of them azurnoir Dec 2013 #138

I'm kinda sad the site is gone. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #141

oh it's not gone at all azurnoir Dec 2013 #142

No, I checked, the domain name is up for grabs Scootaloo Dec 2013 #144

could be I haven't felt it worth checking in a very long time azurnoir Dec 2013 #145

Lots of blatant anti-semitism--Stormfront style crap. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #133

Agreed oberliner Dec 2013 #149

Stormfront style crap? You can't be serious. DanTex Dec 2013 #169

When people start using tropes out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion geek tragedy Dec 2013 #170

Nazi Germany is by far the most overused historical comparison of all. DanTex Dec 2013 #171

Waters wasnt engaging in Stormfront rhetoric--just to clarify-was talking geek tragedy Dec 2013 #173

Supporting a great progressive like Roger Waters is now "Stormfront-style crap" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #186

No, but stating that "Wall Street money" is causing the US government to pledge geek tragedy Dec 2013 #188

I didn't even bother reading most of them. Beacool Dec 2013 #166

Yep leftynyc Dec 2013 #232

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #81

Facinating. Anti-Semitism is no big deal? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #82

Little boys who cry wolf are no big deal, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #84

LOL! That was actually ridiculously funny. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #85

Huh? 1000words Dec 2013 #86

Not if you follow the sub-thread. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #87

You're really missing the point sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #92

I didn't miss your point. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #93

Maybe you're just thin-skinned. sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #98

Maybe you are just out of ideas, thus the ad hom? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #100

So what if he is an anti-Semite? sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #104

Then why respect the words of bigot? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #107

Actually Aegis I'd very certainly count it as antisemitism Scootaloo Dec 2013 #111

Of course you would. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #113

For a little perspective Aegis... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #121

And more perspective.... Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #123

I'm telling you why it could be considered the same thing, and really should be Scootaloo Dec 2013 #132

And yet still, there is no reason to change the word. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #134

Perhaps you're just extremely bad at explaining things. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #137

Or there is another explanation, but it would require self-reflection on your part. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #139

Or you're just really bad at explaining things. Seriously, consider the possibility Scootaloo Dec 2013 #143

That is the irony, isn't it? 1000words Dec 2013 #83

Sound's good to me 4dsc Dec 2013 #89

"I find nothing wrong with his remarks...." oberliner Dec 2013 #90

Roger speaks about his father, politics, the war...and the pig Tripper11 Dec 2013 #91

That made my day NobodyHere Dec 2013 #97

Here ya go. go west young man Dec 2013 #224

The analogy to Nazi-ism doesn't begin or end with, or include the Holocaust 2banon Dec 2013 #94

Well said. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2013 #110

Which is it--you claim that of course the geek tragedy Dec 2013 #130

I rest my case .. per your comment. eom 2banon Dec 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Dec 2013 #208

I'm sure glad that Waters is allowed to use his right to free speech inasmush R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #96

Lotta hasbara going on here. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #102

Roger Waters needs to STFU!!!! Ken Burch Dec 2013 #117

As if Roger waters go west young man Dec 2013 #124

Agreed, he probably won't. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #129

Listen to his music. go west young man Dec 2013 #225

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #119

ya cause we all just know Israel has never ever killed a Palestinian child well except for the 1373 azurnoir Dec 2013 #120

What an enlightened response Scootaloo Dec 2013 #122

C'mon ... 1000words Dec 2013 #127

Comparing Israelis to the people who gassed geek tragedy Dec 2013 #125

I disagree with many of Israel's policies, especially settlements obama2terms Dec 2013 #148

Very well said oberliner Dec 2013 #150

i have been here since late 2001 and joined in 2002... madrchsod Dec 2013 #156

The problem with the anti-semite card.... go west young man Dec 2013 #160

I don't think you understood my post obama2terms Dec 2013 #218

Of course anti semitism exists. go west young man Dec 2013 #220

You will be surprised to know that Jews returning to Israel obama2terms Dec 2013 #235

Why not just quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you're engaged in this crap? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #240

Yeah he should have said White Ashkenazi Jews Ash_F Dec 2013 #243

Ironically, those discriminated against within Israel's Jewish population geek tragedy Dec 2013 #245

Once again, you miss the whole point and just see "jews" as victims. go west young man Dec 2013 #252

Such appalling ignorance on display. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #253

That's you talking... not me. go west young man Dec 2013 #267

Democrats are against Institutional racism Ash_F Dec 2013 #161

I agree with some of what you say. DanTex Dec 2013 #168

I have posted the same thoughts; that I don't feel like I really belong on a site that allows abq e streeter Dec 2013 #174

I hope you reconsider. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #200

so a rock band front man speaks and the world is all a twitter madrchsod Dec 2013 #155

It was provocative. I'm glad he said it. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #158

I would not descirbe Israel as a peaceful or kind nation. vkkv Dec 2013 #159

This sounds familiar... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #163

Everybody should stop with the asinine Nazi comparisons. Beacool Dec 2013 #167

naw, people love these posts so they can flame out. It has no constructive purpose, and does not lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #177

I find these analogies offensive and I'm not even Jewish. Beacool Dec 2013 #197

I hear you, which is why I expressed no useful purpose to threads of these types lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #203

"latest breaking news". A has been rocker gives an opinion? I don't think so.... lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #176

I agree with you Roger, keep up the fight!! ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #190

Yea Roger! ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #198

Lebensraum Martin Eden Dec 2013 #199

Haven't you heard? 1000words Dec 2013 #201

Forward he cried Martin Eden Dec 2013 #205

The comparisons are as inevitable as the equations are fatuous. Orsino Dec 2013 #209

From the article. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #213

Yeah, but that's not as fun as saying he hates Jews. Iggo Dec 2013 #264

Since he hasn't said that then I guess your argument has been built R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #268

Whoosh! Iggo Dec 2013 #272

hoo-boy! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #229

I agree ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #246

Though not there yet Bradical79 Dec 2013 #250

kick ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #275