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171. Nazi Germany is by far the most overused historical comparison of all.

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 02:46 PM

Dec 2013

I agree, the comparison of the holocaust to Israel is dumb and inappropriate, and South Africa would have been a much better choice. But hyperbolic comparisons to Nazi Germany are a dime a dozen. There's nothing anti-semitic about it. Could he have been trying to be provocative, trying to argue that the oppressed have become the oppressors? Maybe, maybe not, but that's still not anti-semitic.

Comparing what he said to Stormfront is also hyperbolic. Because actual racists say things like "____ are inferior" and "____ should be punished" and so on.

As far as I can tell, Waters's criticisms were purely aimed at the policies of Israel. If he said or implied something about how Jews are bad people, that would be different. But he didn't. Stormfront is overtly and proudly racist. Nothing that either Waters said or any of the reponses from DUers I've seen come close to that.

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Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis [View all] dipsydoodle Dec 2013 OP

Roger, don't use the 'n' word. truthisfreedom Dec 2013 #1

Hey, if Israel's jackboots fit... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #42

Wow - stunning comment oberliner Dec 2013 #67

Does the IDF wear sandals when they JackRiddler Dec 2013 #78

Interesting here you agreed that Waters did not actually say Nazi's azurnoir Dec 2013 #140

Oh boy! icymist Dec 2013 #215

Hey Tel Aviv DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #2

That's a pretty gross distortion of the situation WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #33

How dare the Palestinians... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #35

by launching rockets and suicide bombers into civilian areas? Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #44

Well Alittleliberal Dec 2013 #56

nothing like blowing up a school bus or a nightclub to win your rebellion Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #61

Or Nelson Mandela... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #114

Please explain. You're comparing Nelson Mandela to Boko Harem and the Nazis Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #115

Or Menachem Begin...how soon they forget. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #206

By your reasoning, they should also rebel against Jordan, Lebanon, etc 7962 Dec 2013 #58

Jordan did give Palestinians a country. Archae Dec 2013 #88

Great points. I just dont get it either. 7962 Dec 2013 #95

Why? Because Arafat tried to overthrown the Jordanian and Lebanonese governments. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #116

What I dont get is the constant "blame Israel" chorus. No one ever criticizes the Arab countries. 7962 Dec 2013 #153

You don't 'get it' because ... mallard Dec 2013 #228

If the Israelis wanted to, they could grab ALL the land. And WHAT "taboo"? 7962 Dec 2013 #230

"If the Israelis wanted to, they could grab ALL the land. " They still may. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #234

Maps of the West Bank are starting to look a lot like those of the American West KamaAina Dec 2013 #241

Although I disagree that Palestinians are solely to blame for ... mallard Dec 2013 #258

I dont believe its ALL their fault; I mentioned the fact that Israel has their share of screw ups 7962 Dec 2013 #261

Nice lies. The Stranger Dec 2013 #255

Oh, kinda like Israel not being on any Arab maps? You dont agree, so I'm telling "lies". Ha. 7962 Dec 2013 #257

So now you're doing it too. The Stranger Dec 2013 #262

Yes, thats exactly what I said(?). I dont know why I referenced them several times in my comments. 7962 Dec 2013 #263

"it is by no objective means comparable to Nazism." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #55

Because that's exactly what the Nazis were known for. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #165

They justified it with rampant nationalism, claiming God was with them and,.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #172

They are known for both. DanTex Dec 2013 #179

Israel has very real plans sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #60

Where did you hear that? RoccoR5955 Dec 2013 #63

You may as well save your time. People on this board The Stranger Dec 2013 #251

True to an extent. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #254

The occupation is why there is a conflict. It is why there is extremism. The Stranger Dec 2013 #256

This is definitely not true oberliner Dec 2013 #269

You're just not being honest. The Stranger Dec 2013 #273

It's definitely a factor, but don't kid yourself in thinking it's the sole cause. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #270

.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #265

Absolutely incredible oberliner Dec 2013 #68

I actually prefer Gilmour's sad solo material to Water's sad solo material. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #151

Totally agree on Gilmour's recent solo stuff. go west young man Dec 2013 #221

There Is A Reason billhicks76 Dec 2013 #204

Hey, I've (and others) been saying that for years PFunk Dec 2013 #3

Jimmy Carter would seem to agree. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #14

No he wouldn't. oberliner Dec 2013 #69

Maybe when he was President, Fuddnik Dec 2013 #99

No it was in 2006 oberliner Dec 2013 #214

Your link does not work. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #216

oberliner, you leave so much out..you agree or not with Carter? Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #212

Survivors of the the horrors of WWII PatrynXX Dec 2013 #19

Not to disagree... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #36

Yes, one can be Jewish and anti-Semitic. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #43

And I'm one of them. QuestForSense Dec 2013 #20

I agree... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #26

The only difference between the two is in degree. backscatter712 Dec 2013 #175

South african like apartheid lancer78 Dec 2013 #49

Unbelievable oberliner Dec 2013 #70

Nazi comparisons are over the top, but it's hard to dispute SA comparisons. Xithras Dec 2013 #274

It must really hit the Rabbis with a hot spike of reality... DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #4

Wow oberliner Dec 2013 #71

When is the last time an anti-Jewish geek tragedy Dec 2013 #136

Not even trying to hide the anti-semitism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #135

No anti-semitism.. anti-Zionist... the new warmongers in the Middle East DontTreadOnMe Dec 2013 #147

Ding ding ding we have a winner 4dsc Dec 2013 #152

Sorry, you don't to sneer at 'the Rabbis' and then claim it's mere anti-zionism. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #164

The reference to "the Rabbis" referred to the Rabbis quoted in the story. DanTex Dec 2013 #181

Just out of curiousity, if you took all instances at DU wherein someone geek tragedy Dec 2013 #184

You may be right. I don't read I/P much, so I wouldn't know. DanTex Dec 2013 #185

No, not really. China is China and Putin is Putin--people geek tragedy Dec 2013 #187

Did Obama and Kerry get called racist for comparing Syria to Nazi Germany? DanTex Dec 2013 #192

They got accused of lying us into a war. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #194

Again, that's different than being accused of racism. DanTex Dec 2013 #196

Re the last question, absolutely. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #202

Great post. go west young man Dec 2013 #222

Related question. Is there any government other than Israel's that criticizing can lead to DanTex Dec 2013 #189

Criticizing Cuba or Venezuela will get you accused of being a neoliberal rightwinger. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #191

That's different than being accused of racism. DanTex Dec 2013 #193

I see it like the Tea Party types who say Obama's policies will lead to/are worse than slavery. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #195

It sounds like it is because "you" want to see it that way that go west young man Dec 2013 #223

Speaking of time and effort being wasted--last word is yours nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #237

Now your taking debate notes go west young man Dec 2013 #247

Kick MoreGOPoop Dec 2013 #5

His father was a pacifist, who was conscripted. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #15

What are you saying? bitchkitty Dec 2013 #118

A man who uses a giant pig balloon with a star of david on it Kurska Dec 2013 #6

You realize that other religious symbols are included? 1000words Dec 2013 #7

So if I slap a chevron logo on a cross burning, is that okay? n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #8

It would be provocative, that's for sure. 1000words Dec 2013 #10

Make no mistake, I think he has every right in the world to do it. Kurska Dec 2013 #12

It is known far and wide that Waters is quite an egotistical prick 1000words Dec 2013 #17

If you are attacking... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #22

Are you saying that Judaism is a tool for oppression? Kurska Dec 2013 #24

Like other religions, it often is. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #45

Calling a person's faith a tool of oppression is uncalled for, frankly. Kurska Dec 2013 #207

Who cares if its insulting? Bradical79 Dec 2013 #236

It is insulting, but it isn't rue. Kurska Dec 2013 #248

Thought you were asking in general. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #249

Quite True. Not to be confused with Spirituality, Organized Religion is specifically intended to 2banon Dec 2013 #217

Can women be rabbis? Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #210

In every branch besides orthodox, they can. Kurska Dec 2013 #219

I think Waters himself can best answer charges of being anti-semetic NobodyHere Dec 2013 #28

"I have close jewish friends" why do hateful people always say this? n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #30

Actually, the better question is... Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #40

I would assume because you can be friends with Jews fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #103

Being against Zionism is not the same as anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #105

That's like the "but I have black friends" Repubicans seattledo Dec 2013 #53

Thank you for posting that 1000words Dec 2013 #32

Actually, his ramblings about the "Jewish lobby" in the entertainment business is much more AS. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #50

An absolutely absurd comparison WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #9

Look at a map lancer78 Dec 2013 #51

I assure you that I am no supporter of the settlements WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #183

"This guy" is Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. go west young man Dec 2013 #226

I'd rather not. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #271

Israel does "surgically" to Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jewish people wholesale.... marble falls Dec 2013 #11

Yep. barbarity is barbarity, truedelphi Dec 2013 #29

Read him. But it will be difficult to get people here to even read his research and kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #66

Absolutely amazing that a person can think this oberliner Dec 2013 #72

That was so very inciteful, ober. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #211

He doesn't need to say more leftynyc Dec 2013 #231

Another book to add to my... ReRe Dec 2013 #108

Yeah other than the attempted grnocide geek tragedy Dec 2013 #126

Sam Seder interviews Max Blumenthal on Goliath NuttyFluffers Dec 2013 #259

I'll have to back Roger on this one. PatrynXX Dec 2013 #13

Did the pig also have a crescent with the star? They both abhor pork. Nazis didn't mind, though... freshwest Dec 2013 #16

Yes ... a cross, too 1000words Dec 2013 #18

A star of david, cross and a cresent, all three? freshwest Dec 2013 #23

Yup 1000words Dec 2013 #25

Ah, but did he reference Rastafari? freshwest Dec 2013 #34

Regardless of Waters, I did my small part to *honor* rastafarianism. 1000words Dec 2013 #41

He used all 3 in his recent 'Wall' tour NobodyHere Dec 2013 #31

Thanks. Pretty good reference of all the ideological, industrial and religious players. freshwest Dec 2013 #37

You're Welcome NobodyHere Dec 2013 #52

Great concert. WCLinolVir Dec 2013 #64

Yep, the pig has always been about the abuses of wealth and power... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #39

Personally... ReRe Dec 2013 #106

According to Nick Mason Roger Water's wrote that mainly with his new wife in mind. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #146

The counter punch interview... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #21

It is apparent that Israel must not know of or understand... ReRe Dec 2013 #101

It amuses me to no end... sendero Dec 2013 #178

As far as governments and groups I would agree. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #180

I agree.. sendero Dec 2013 #182

Shmuley Boteach is a notorious self-promoter starroute Dec 2013 #27

He comes from an interesting family involved in the arms business. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #112

It is perfectly legitimate to say the occupation is morally wrong. iandhr Dec 2013 #38

So when every last Palestinian is dead, then will it be OK to say it? CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #47

"So when every last Palestinian is dead, then will it be OK to say it?" EX500rider Dec 2013 #54

Wow oberliner Dec 2013 #73

The Palestinians are in no danger of being geek tragedy Dec 2013 #128

why yes. then it would be ok. but the fact remains that the Palestinian cali Dec 2013 #260

I thought it was obvious what I meant CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #266

Agree 100%. 840high Dec 2013 #65

Here's a Comparison chuckstevens Dec 2013 #46

That comparison simply demonstrates an ahistorical POV. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #48

It's an obscenely stupid one. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #131

" What was the Jewish body equivalent to Hamas that officially ruled the Warsaw Ghetto?" Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #238

Colossal fail. They were chosen by the occupiers, not the occupied. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #239

Fail yourself Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #242

The answer is that there was no equivalent. The Nazis, not the Judenrat, were geek tragedy Dec 2013 #244

There was this episode of 'Six Feet Under' postatomic Dec 2013 #57

That is the only thing from Six Feet Under that I remember... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2013 #154

The rock star has more courage than our leaders. dawn frenzy adams Dec 2013 #59

Good lord oberliner Dec 2013 #74

It actually shows just how much ant-semitism exists here on DU. It is outrageous lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #227

Literally making me nauseous (n/t) leftynyc Dec 2013 #233

For me, Roger, you're preaching to the choir. Thanks boomersense Dec 2013 #62

Seriously? oberliner Dec 2013 #75

Opinions are formed by that which we observe and learn as boomersense Dec 2013 #157

Is anyone else repulsed by some of the responses to this thread? oberliner Dec 2013 #76

Lots of over-the-top accusations here 1000words Dec 2013 #77

I've learned to expect it on DU. DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #79

I've put a bunch of racists...er..."good progressives", on full ignore tonight. abq e streeter Dec 2013 #80

If only you could be as repulsed by the hateful shit offered by your fellows in I/P Scootaloo Dec 2013 #109

lol there could about 3 of them azurnoir Dec 2013 #138

I'm kinda sad the site is gone. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #141

oh it's not gone at all azurnoir Dec 2013 #142

No, I checked, the domain name is up for grabs Scootaloo Dec 2013 #144

could be I haven't felt it worth checking in a very long time azurnoir Dec 2013 #145

Lots of blatant anti-semitism--Stormfront style crap. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #133

Agreed oberliner Dec 2013 #149

Stormfront style crap? You can't be serious. DanTex Dec 2013 #169

When people start using tropes out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion geek tragedy Dec 2013 #170

Nazi Germany is by far the most overused historical comparison of all. DanTex Dec 2013 #171

Waters wasnt engaging in Stormfront rhetoric--just to clarify-was talking geek tragedy Dec 2013 #173

Supporting a great progressive like Roger Waters is now "Stormfront-style crap" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #186

No, but stating that "Wall Street money" is causing the US government to pledge geek tragedy Dec 2013 #188

I didn't even bother reading most of them. Beacool Dec 2013 #166

Yep leftynyc Dec 2013 #232

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #81

Facinating. Anti-Semitism is no big deal? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #82

Little boys who cry wolf are no big deal, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #84

LOL! That was actually ridiculously funny. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #85

Huh? 1000words Dec 2013 #86

Not if you follow the sub-thread. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #87

You're really missing the point sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #92

I didn't miss your point. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #93

Maybe you're just thin-skinned. sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #98

Maybe you are just out of ideas, thus the ad hom? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #100

So what if he is an anti-Semite? sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #104

Then why respect the words of bigot? Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #107

Actually Aegis I'd very certainly count it as antisemitism Scootaloo Dec 2013 #111

Of course you would. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #113

For a little perspective Aegis... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #121

And more perspective.... Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #123

I'm telling you why it could be considered the same thing, and really should be Scootaloo Dec 2013 #132

And yet still, there is no reason to change the word. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #134

Perhaps you're just extremely bad at explaining things. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #137

Or there is another explanation, but it would require self-reflection on your part. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #139

Or you're just really bad at explaining things. Seriously, consider the possibility Scootaloo Dec 2013 #143

That is the irony, isn't it? 1000words Dec 2013 #83

Sound's good to me 4dsc Dec 2013 #89

"I find nothing wrong with his remarks...." oberliner Dec 2013 #90

Roger speaks about his father, politics, the war...and the pig Tripper11 Dec 2013 #91

That made my day NobodyHere Dec 2013 #97

Here ya go. go west young man Dec 2013 #224

The analogy to Nazi-ism doesn't begin or end with, or include the Holocaust 2banon Dec 2013 #94

Well said. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2013 #110

Which is it--you claim that of course the geek tragedy Dec 2013 #130

I rest my case .. per your comment. eom 2banon Dec 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Dec 2013 #208

I'm sure glad that Waters is allowed to use his right to free speech inasmush R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #96

Lotta hasbara going on here. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #102

Roger Waters needs to STFU!!!! Ken Burch Dec 2013 #117

As if Roger waters go west young man Dec 2013 #124

Agreed, he probably won't. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #129

Listen to his music. go west young man Dec 2013 #225

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #119

ya cause we all just know Israel has never ever killed a Palestinian child well except for the 1373 azurnoir Dec 2013 #120

What an enlightened response Scootaloo Dec 2013 #122

C'mon ... 1000words Dec 2013 #127

Comparing Israelis to the people who gassed geek tragedy Dec 2013 #125

I disagree with many of Israel's policies, especially settlements obama2terms Dec 2013 #148

Very well said oberliner Dec 2013 #150

i have been here since late 2001 and joined in 2002... madrchsod Dec 2013 #156

The problem with the anti-semite card.... go west young man Dec 2013 #160

I don't think you understood my post obama2terms Dec 2013 #218

Of course anti semitism exists. go west young man Dec 2013 #220

You will be surprised to know that Jews returning to Israel obama2terms Dec 2013 #235

Why not just quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you're engaged in this crap? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #240

Yeah he should have said White Ashkenazi Jews Ash_F Dec 2013 #243

Ironically, those discriminated against within Israel's Jewish population geek tragedy Dec 2013 #245

Once again, you miss the whole point and just see "jews" as victims. go west young man Dec 2013 #252

Such appalling ignorance on display. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #253

That's you talking... not me. go west young man Dec 2013 #267

Democrats are against Institutional racism Ash_F Dec 2013 #161

I agree with some of what you say. DanTex Dec 2013 #168

I have posted the same thoughts; that I don't feel like I really belong on a site that allows abq e streeter Dec 2013 #174

I hope you reconsider. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #200

so a rock band front man speaks and the world is all a twitter madrchsod Dec 2013 #155

It was provocative. I'm glad he said it. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #158

I would not descirbe Israel as a peaceful or kind nation. vkkv Dec 2013 #159

This sounds familiar... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #163

Everybody should stop with the asinine Nazi comparisons. Beacool Dec 2013 #167

naw, people love these posts so they can flame out. It has no constructive purpose, and does not lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #177

I find these analogies offensive and I'm not even Jewish. Beacool Dec 2013 #197

I hear you, which is why I expressed no useful purpose to threads of these types lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #203

"latest breaking news". A has been rocker gives an opinion? I don't think so.... lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #176

I agree with you Roger, keep up the fight!! ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #190

Yea Roger! ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #198

Lebensraum Martin Eden Dec 2013 #199

Haven't you heard? 1000words Dec 2013 #201

Forward he cried Martin Eden Dec 2013 #205

The comparisons are as inevitable as the equations are fatuous. Orsino Dec 2013 #209

From the article. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #213

Yeah, but that's not as fun as saying he hates Jews. Iggo Dec 2013 #264

Since he hasn't said that then I guess your argument has been built R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #268

Whoosh! Iggo Dec 2013 #272

hoo-boy! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #229

I agree ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #246

Though not there yet Bradical79 Dec 2013 #250

kick ArnoldLayne Dec 2013 #275