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11. I don't think Knox will ever have to go back

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:26 PM

Jan 2014

The US has a double jeopardy rule and even though Italy doesn't there's a good chance it can be used to refuse an extradition request.

Strange strange legal system they have over there.

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Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito lose Meredith Kercher murder appeal [View all] alp227 Jan 2014 OP

I was supposed to attend a meeting in Italy this summer.... cab67 Jan 2014 #1

The Italians have made international fools out of themselves flamingdem Jan 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jan 2014 #174

what a stupid reason Jeneral2885 Jan 2014 #8

Your response is offensive. cab67 Jan 2014 #23

No, it is not offensive... Demenace Jan 2014 #121

I'm still awaiting your apology. cab67 Jan 2014 #133

American courts wouldn't have convicted geologists for manslaughter for not predicting an earthquake pnwmom Jan 2014 #60

OMG Scairp Jan 2014 #74

No joke. They're appealing it now. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #80

it would help if the real reasons were disclosed WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2014 #172

That is a lie. There was NO information collected before the earthquake that would have led any pnwmom Jan 2014 #184

It's not a stupid reason Scairp Jan 2014 #71

I can't believe Americans keep sending their college students there. What loving parent pnwmom Jan 2014 #81

there are some great programs from terrific schools there for college kids. CTyankee Jan 2014 #109

My sister went to one of them -- in Perugia -- and so did my best friend. But neither of them pnwmom Jan 2014 #111

I'm not afraid. I'll be on my fifth trip to Italy in mid March. CTyankee Jan 2014 #113

My two college age nieces will not go to a Red State schools... Walk away Jan 2014 #132

Before this I would have done Scairp Jan 2014 #148

I thought that they actually found someone guilty question everything Jan 2014 #33

they did. they convicted a guy of raping and murdering her. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #35

This is really crazy question everything Jan 2014 #140

I will be boycotting everything Italian. I wish everyone would. pnwmom Jan 2014 #58

Remind never to visit Italy liskddksil Jan 2014 #2

I hope Sollecito can hightail it out of there flamingdem Jan 2014 #3

Nope atreides1 Jan 2014 #9

This is what we have become now... Demenace Jan 2014 #124

It's a joke Renew Deal Jan 2014 #5

Italy has disgraced itself. madaboutharry Jan 2014 #6

Italian judicial system is the worst joke in Europe nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #7

I know little detail about this case . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #10

the complete lack of evidence against her. not a single piece of evidence tying her geek tragedy Jan 2014 #12

The link says her DNA was on the knife. savalez Jan 2014 #16

A commonly used knife that was in her apartment for how long? another_liberal Jan 2014 #19

the victims' DNA wasn't nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #21

yes, it was. cab67 Jan 2014 #26

And the knife in question wasn't actually the murder weapon. That was made clear by StevieM Jan 2014 #32

It was a knife in her boyfriend's apartment then . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #47

I will advice you check for yourself what the details are... Demenace Jan 2014 #127

Because she's pretty? I can't figure that out either. closeupready Jan 2014 #13

Because there's no evidence and every theory the prosecution has offered geek tragedy Jan 2014 #22

Oh...so you're fond of the Italian justice system? Chakab Jan 2014 #24

OJ Simpson. closeupready Jan 2014 #30

You think that rich assholes getting away with murder is unique to American jurisprudence Chakab Jan 2014 #40

OJ Simpson? sked14 Jan 2014 #42

He is indeed, while Nicole Brown Simpson's murderer remains at large. closeupready Jan 2014 #46

And of course, as soon as he's released, sked14 Jan 2014 #48

And The Zimpig JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #102

that's one of the reasons she was CONVICTED maxsolomon Jan 2014 #25

Absolutely agreed. This is nothing more than sexual violence (eom) StevieM Jan 2014 #50

Maybe because there's not a shred of of evidence against her, sked14 Jan 2014 #34

The typical American attitude to dismiss that which it cannot understand... Demenace Jan 2014 #131

Thank you. closeupready Jan 2014 #149

Sweet Jesus I'm tired of that deflection. maxsolomon Jan 2014 #183

The DNA was tainted, sked14 Jan 2014 #17

in fact she wasnt even there. u forgot that one leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #122

Maybe you should do some research into the farce of a case that police built against her and the Chakab Jan 2014 #18

Hmmmm? another_liberal Jan 2014 #45

I'm a criminal defense attorney who can read Italian. She's guilty as hell. msanthrope Jan 2014 #43

Thanks for the link. another_liberal Jan 2014 #44

Here's a non-hate site to check out, with evidence from scientists and other professionals. pnwmom Jan 2014 #69

Does reading the documents in Italian place Kercher's DNA on the so-called Chakab Jan 2014 #54

I would suggest you read the court documents, and not the tabloids. It reminds me of the OJ msanthrope Jan 2014 #55

Are you fucking kidding me? You do realize that the "court documents" were written by the same Chakab Jan 2014 #64

Exactly. Apparently in Italy the courts prefer the most complicated, unlikely scenarios. pnwmom Jan 2014 #70

Really? Which judge thought that? I was speaking of the judge reports that I think sum up the msanthrope Jan 2014 #90

Is double jeopardy relavent here as some claim ? dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #63

Seriously...I'm not sure. I have not done any legal research, but I think that msanthrope Jan 2014 #77

Thanks dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #92

Most Continental European countries don't have double jeopardy rules anyway Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2014 #138

You may be a criminal defense attorney but you're basing your opinion on lies from a hate site. pnwmom Jan 2014 #67

No..basing my opinion on the judge's reports. I think the DNA evidence msanthrope Jan 2014 #84

On appeal, an independent lab failed to find evidence of Knox's DNA on the murder weapon. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #88

Do you have anything from the actual judge reports...or just tabloids? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #95

I have the Hellmann report right here... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #96

Hellman was overruled and retired due to infirmity...can you cite something more msanthrope Jan 2014 #98

Excepting the possibility that you have the report overruling Hellmann... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #100

Did you realize that Judge Massei allowed the prosecution to withhold lab reports from the defense? pnwmom Jan 2014 #89

Kindly cite what you are claiming...since Hellman was overruled and is now retired, can you msanthrope Jan 2014 #97

The experts in the second trial, professors in forensics at a top university, gave the most recent pnwmom Jan 2014 #106

you know, i don't believe you maxsolomon Jan 2014 #72

I will tell you what I've told other posters..since I've previously claimed to be an Obama msanthrope Jan 2014 #79

michelle bachmann is an attorney as well maxsolomon Jan 2014 #82

Backing down already???nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #85

if that's what you call it maxsolomon Jan 2014 #91

She wasn't granted a lawyer, she was verbally and physically abused by police... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #83

I don't think your summation of the facts is correct. Could you cite the court record they are msanthrope Jan 2014 #87

Why don't you cite your claims first. The link you provided is dead. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #93

I agree with the standing verdict. If you claim otherwise, it is up to you to prove why msanthrope Jan 2014 #99

It's fine to agree with the standing verdict assuming you have the ruling. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #101

Still waiting on those reports. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #110

I gave her a link to a court document showing Amanda's statement was excluded from the criminal pnwmom Jan 2014 #129

Do you really agree with the standing verdict ? Wash. state Desk Jet Jan 2014 #150

Here is a court record showing that Amanda was denied an attorney pnwmom Jan 2014 #128

The link doesn't work for me n/t cpwm17 Jan 2014 #94

And what was their motive for murder? n/t MicaelS Jan 2014 #147

The small bedroom where Meredith was murdered was covered in blood, pnwmom Jan 2014 #66

If that is all true . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #166

It is true. That is why the first appeals court pnwmom Jan 2014 #170

I do not follow this case at all, so I don't know most of the details, 6000eliot Jan 2014 #161

I don't think Knox will ever have to go back sharp_stick Jan 2014 #11

Yes, granting extradition is done only if consistent with due process rights jberryhill Jan 2014 #28

But she won't be able to travel to other countries with treaties closeupready Jan 2014 #39

She's been found guilty under Italian law dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #51

"Strange strange legal system they have over there." Nihil Jan 2014 #168

I meant strange as in sharp_stick Jan 2014 #171

I have no confidence in the Italian justice system Gothmog Jan 2014 #14

Absolutely ridiculous. Chakab Jan 2014 #15

They do realize they are wasting their time right? bluestateguy Jan 2014 #20

I dont know..the Snowden ordeal is a wake-up call over how much America loves these treaties davidn3600 Jan 2014 #31

there is zero chance the DoJ will extradite her over this clown court's ruling nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #41

So openly violate the treaty? davidn3600 Jan 2014 #62

double jeopardy. And, the opinion of voters here certainly outweighs geek tragedy Jan 2014 #65

Italy has been known not to comply in cases of extradition... TeeYiYi Jan 2014 #68

Italian justice system is a joke rollin74 Jan 2014 #27

This is disgraceful. Their innocence is beyond dispute. (eom) StevieM Jan 2014 #29

Of course they did. bravenak Jan 2014 #36

Clearly. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #37

Glad we cleared that up. bravenak Jan 2014 #38

The arrogance displayed here is shameful. SurfingScientist Jan 2014 #49

So how many times should a person face trial .. MicaelS Jan 2014 #52

The first appeal was set aside by the Court of Cassation. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #104

So, let me get this straight. bravenak Jan 2014 #53

Sadly, the poop theory makes much more sense than the original one about Knox murdering Kercher Chakab Jan 2014 #56

It's been blowing my mind since the verdict. bravenak Jan 2014 #78

My reaction has nothing to do with the location of the court. cab67 Jan 2014 #57

I choose to not believe in not-in-evidence satanic sex cults. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #75

The prosecutor is obsessed with satanic sex cults mainer Jan 2014 #178

It wasn't a travesty because it was an Italian court. pnwmom Jan 2014 #86

A small point JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #117

I hope she isn't extradited, but I'm not confident. And what about Raffaele? pnwmom Jan 2014 #119

He's an Italian citizen JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #126

It's a diversion to you but not to those whose lives are involved. pnwmom Jan 2014 #130

She's not suffering though JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #135

YOU HAVE NO IDEA. She has a realistic fear of being extradited. pnwmom Jan 2014 #142

The Kerchers seem like they will believe whatever the system tells them to believe davidn3600 Jan 2014 #152

I would like to think that the twelve million dollar lawsuit they filed has nothing to do with it. pnwmom Jan 2014 #153

Wait - advance? JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #160

She wrote a book and even had a book tour. It didn't have any affect on the trial. pnwmom Jan 2014 #162

Ahhh - I see - look at this - JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #164

She has already begun. pnwmom Jan 2014 #165

Good for her! JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #167

Thats it in a nut shell. Wash. state Desk Jet Jan 2014 #157

Only a third of us have passports JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #158

It is about the murder victim Meredith Kercher Wash. state Desk Jet Jan 2014 #163

Never set foot in Florida again? tavernier Jan 2014 #175

Naaah JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #176

Here is a line I bet you've never heard before: tavernier Jan 2014 #179

No JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #181

This is nothing more than sexual violence (eom) StevieM Jan 2014 #105

"I'd expect better from a progressive forum." brentspeak Jan 2014 #154

Double jeopardy. Knox is safe from extradition. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #59

I have to wonder... TeeYiYi Jan 2014 #61

Ir's all about trying to save face.....eon mrmpa Jan 2014 #73

I will be in eastern Tuscany in March on an art intensive study... CTyankee Jan 2014 #76

Given the quality of the US judiciary system (death penalty, ridiculous imprisonment Mass Jan 2014 #103

Seems to me that someone who cares about justice... Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #107

We haven't had a witch trial in a while. Nor have we convicted geologists of manslaughter pnwmom Jan 2014 #108

Nor have we painted the Mona Lisa or sculpted the David... CTyankee Jan 2014 #112

That doesn't make up for their inquisitorial justice system. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #115

Not saying that it does. But if we are making a comparison between cultures and histories we CTyankee Jan 2014 #118

Yes, we had the Salem witch trials. It's time for Italy to move at least into the 20th century, pnwmom Jan 2014 #120

From what I have read, I have to agree with you on your point about scientifc procedures... CTyankee Jan 2014 #125

Not that such a conviction is even relevant to this case... Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #114

Not true. They were convicted for not saying there was an increased risk of an earthquake pnwmom Jan 2014 #116

Well, executing prisoners is not my idea of a just society, but if it fits you. Mass Jan 2014 #151

Read John Douglas' latest book. He shreds the prosecution's so-called "case." Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #123

I would also add "Monster of Florence" by Douglas Preston mainer Jan 2014 #173

Didn't she blame a black guy? n/t rocktivity Jan 2014 #134

No, the police did. They found his DNA in and around the body and on the murder weapon. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #136

...A police interpreter testified that Amanda seemed relieved rocktivity Jan 2014 #141

Ah I thought you were referring to the one in prison, Guede. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #144

Lumumba initially claimed police brutality, pnwmom Jan 2014 #145

Agreed RedRoses323 Jan 2014 #177

It appears that it was the police that accused Patrick Lumumba of murdering Meredith Kercher cpwm17 Jan 2014 #180

This points up a major difference between Anglo-American and Continental law Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2014 #137

If found guilty, extradition should be routine. mbperrin Jan 2014 #139

There's considerable doubt as to her guilt. It would be insane to extradite her. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #143

She's been convicted in a court of law. mbperrin Jan 2014 #155

That's a disgusting, bullshit, woman-hating argument. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #156

No, I have a sister who used this very method for years to stay out of jail for meth sales. mbperrin Jan 2014 #186

I was hopeful they would win this round davidpdx Jan 2014 #146

Kercher murder: Sollecito 'stopped near border' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #159

The word "stopped" is misleading. He was sleeping with a girlfriend in a hotel pnwmom Jan 2014 #169

And if he were really fleeing, he'd be all the way in Germany mainer Jan 2014 #182

Here's why Italian justice is screwed up: mainer Jan 2014 #185

Court of Cassation deepblue9 Apr 2014 #187