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DetlefK

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2. To quote Dick Cheney:

Sat May 3, 2014, 08:40 AM

May 2014

"Never said that."

I don't remember when it occured (sometime when he was vice-president) or what it was about, but that sentence was proof that Dick Cheney wasn't ready for a 21st century world. Back in the 1980s, every news-story was basically he-said-she-said: The politician could always accuse the journalist of lying. But today we live in a world where everything is recorded and stored. Shooting back "Never said that." at a journalist isn't going to save you.

Likewise Putin is stuck in the past. He's a secret agent, a patriotic warrior, but also a relic of the Cold War. He thinks that military power is key to international power. (I guess, he doesn't remember the eruption of european anti-americanism during the Iraq-War.) He thinks, the world is still divided whereas it really is connected by trade and information-technologies. And nations threatening the stability of said network quickly become outcasts.

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Peskov: Russia cannot persuade self-defense forces in east Ukraine to disarm [View all] dipsydoodle May 2014 OP

Since most of them are actually Russian, they should try ordering them back to their base. 7962 May 2014 #1

To quote Dick Cheney: DetlefK May 2014 #2

Well said. NT Adrahil May 2014 #5

Yep, he's thinking like the past all right. But until someone stops him, it doesnt matter 7962 May 2014 #52

The problem is the hot air in Putin's head davidpdx May 2014 #55

"Shooting back "Never said that." at a journalist isn't going to save you." awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #57

More word salad from the Russians blackspade May 2014 #3

Finally, Turbineguy May 2014 #4

Kremlin says it is weighing response to �thousands� of pleas for help from Ukraine muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #6

There were elections scheduled for 5/11. Igel May 2014 #37

One thing I would agree with Russia about is that elections in the next month can't mean anything muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #40

Russia should tell them "You're Ukrainian, and we're not going to annex you, so TwilightGardener May 2014 #7

No, that won't work anymore. Never was going to work, or it actually was ballyhoo May 2014 #13

Wow. OilemFirchen May 2014 #19

Not near as impressive as ballyhoo May 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Adrahil May 2014 #54

I agree, Peskov himself couldn't do as well at pro-Russian propaganda. stevenleser May 2014 #60

Dozens killed in Ukraine street battles and building fire bemildred May 2014 #8

NATO could sulphurdunn May 2014 #9

No, that's exactly what would bring on the ballyhoo May 2014 #10

Russia is one of the largest sulphurdunn May 2014 #42

Yes, but it appears hedging is within our DNA. No ballyhoo May 2014 #46

Unless you go all in. sulphurdunn May 2014 #49

Unfortunately, the egg has been scrambled. laurent May 2014 #11

I am beginning to ballyhoo May 2014 #14

Well, that's the interesting question: to what extent has the unrest in E. Ukraine been spontaneous? bemildred May 2014 #12

Agree 100 per cent. You're the third person ballyhoo May 2014 #15

My current guesses: bemildred May 2014 #20

Those are my conclusions also. I just wonder if this ballyhoo May 2014 #24

I don't think it's scripted. bemildred May 2014 #30

Not So Sure About The Second, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #26

I think both sides are bluffing, though Putin is better placed to be doing that. bemildred May 2014 #33

Crossing the Border, Sir, Remains a Bigger Thing Than Deploying Troops Within One's Country The Magistrate May 2014 #58

Well, if you remember, Sir, that's what I said should happen after the Geneva agreement. bemildred May 2014 #59

What regulars? King_Rat May 2014 #43

Whoa! Great post. You get it. ballyhoo May 2014 #50

What nonsense. You also insult the 8.7 million Red Army dead and their families. stevenleser May 2014 #61

Not my intention. King_Rat May 2014 #70

"will run away just as their Nazi ally forebearers did when they encountered the Red Army." EX500rider May 2014 #62

Even Stalin's post war propaganda of the time didn't describe things that way stevenleser May 2014 #63

Even If He Thinks He Is Referencing Bandera's People, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #65

Bandit level resistance... King_Rat May 2014 #72

You Do Not Even Rise To 'History Channel' Level, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #73

That's not what I said. King_Rat May 2014 #74

Actually, Sir, It Is A More Than Fair Summary Of What You Said The Magistrate May 2014 #75

You are grossly mistaken. King_Rat May 2014 #77

Everyone Knows Assistance Was Given, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #79

Keeping Bandera and other fascists leadership out of Soviet hands was not essential? King_Rat May 2014 #80

Not Really, Sir: Is The Figurehead The Ship? The Magistrate May 2014 #81

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Nice To See You Googling Away, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #83

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I Can Always Provide Links, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #86

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No, Sir, You Are Not A Graduate Student The Magistrate May 2014 #88

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Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #91

By 44-45 there was a lot of running away... King_Rat May 2014 #71

About As Spontaneous As Any Reality TV Production, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #16

If people claim Maidan was a Western-orchestrated coup NuclearDem May 2014 #17

Issues in the east dipsydoodle May 2014 #22

So are the people who think Maidan was a wholly internal affair. SolutionisSolidarity May 2014 #41

Did any of the responders to the OP actually read it, in the context of Ukrainian mobs burning Fred Sanders May 2014 #18

You selectively edit out inconvenient facts. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #28

Thereby justifying killing and burning them.....got it. Fred Sanders May 2014 #29

No but Duckhunter935 May 2014 #35

Did you read my post? I didn't justify anything. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #53

There is plenty of proof to show that both sides were violent and both sides lost people davidpdx May 2014 #56

I think the conversation went down something like this: Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #21

I think that also. ballyhoo May 2014 #25

Very telling statement: OilemFirchen May 2014 #27

I don't think they were surprised ballyhoo May 2014 #31

The West? OilemFirchen May 2014 #32

After the buring tires in Kiev. Or are you one that ballyhoo May 2014 #34

those special Duckhunter935 May 2014 #36

The Euromaidan? OilemFirchen May 2014 #38

Your first answer disagrees so much ballyhoo May 2014 #39

It's pretty sad how blinded even so called liberals are by state propaganda. SolutionisSolidarity May 2014 #44

Putin did what he had to do ballyhoo May 2014 #45

"Putin did what he had to do after the assault by the West" EX500rider May 2014 #64

Indeed, Sir; It Is Like Reading Old Issues Of 'Workers' Advocate'.... The Magistrate May 2014 #66

I thought it was funny. I think it's funny how all these folks showed up or reappeared at DU okaawhatever May 2014 #76

This is why deep and wide (cultural) Revolution Ghost Dog May 2014 #47

+1000000000 PoliticalPothead May 2014 #48

Nope. Advising and encouraging is not equivalent to armed invasion & annexation stevenleser May 2014 #67

Ukraine's government isn't fighting back, it is mob justice. joshcryer May 2014 #69

"Russia admits it's powerless in its own region" truthisfreedom May 2014 #51

Right, and after invading and annexing 3-5 territories in the last 15 years, if you believe that stevenleser May 2014 #68

Russia powerless, defenseless... truthisfreedom May 2014 #78

And yet in the state your imagination describes.. RedFury May 2014 #85

So you admit that Russia is behind the insurgency movement? nt EmilyAnne May 2014 #90