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95. The Toledo vote for DK

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:04 AM

Mar 2012

...was less than 1000 votes! His even opening an office here was a total waste of time.

The original GOP gerrymander of Toledo was to divide the city into THREE congressional districts. Somehow, that got changed to only two. I am less than a mile away from the dividing line between the 9th (Kaptur) and the 5th (Latta - R), so I'm pretty mad. The Repubs took the area of Toledo that is "mostly" Republican. I say that with quotes because Marcy has won her district time and time again with upwards of 60% of the vote here. In order to get these results Republicans have to be voting for her.

The only thing I can hope for is that the Democratic candidate for the 5th district, Angela Zimmann, gives Latta a bit of a run for his money. The 5th district is mostly rural and that, in Ohio, means GOP country .

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Dennis Kucinich offers no support for Marcy Kaptur after primary defeat [View all] Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 OP

That's typical of Kucinich Renew Deal Mar 2012 #1

yup, the kind of thing that made me mopinko Mar 2012 #6

Kaptur played dirty cyclezealot Mar 2012 #20

Calm down, people. The freepers are snickering. truthisfreedom Mar 2012 #100

On HR 3632. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #108

HR 3632? Don't you mean HR 3606? onenote Mar 2012 #112

Nov. 2011. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #143

Kaptur and most of the Progressive Caucus voted for the bill onenote Mar 2012 #151

"Another bill as terrible as was the repeal of Glass Steagall" grantcart Mar 2012 #116

Both sides were real dirty. Don't forget, "You just can't trust Marcy Kaptur." joshcryer Mar 2012 #137

I lost a lot of respect for Marcy Kaptur in this race also. I guess I didn't know that much about sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #152

you mean he doesn't like to be slandered for no reason? Yeah, typical of him. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #74

Here' s proof the Blue Dogs are ready to Pontificate. When they don't know the facts. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #146

This is not "news", in the context of "latest breaking news" eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #2

is the outcome to this race being contested by him SemperEadem Mar 2012 #3

It wasn't close. n/t ColesCountyDem Mar 2012 #10

wow.. you're right--it wasn't even close SemperEadem Mar 2012 #33

Does this make DK a PUMA? onenote Mar 2012 #65

I wouldn't know what would make Kucinich a puma, nor was it my point. SemperEadem Mar 2012 #144

There is no evidence that the results of the primary were "fishy" onenote Mar 2012 #150

take it up with Brad Blog SemperEadem Mar 2012 #160

i responded to the thread on which BradBlog claimed the results were fishy onenote Mar 2012 #161

I'm not. SemperEadem Mar 2012 #163

My mistake. Since you addressed it in your post I thought you were interested. n/t onenote Mar 2012 #164

I'm sorry that two great progressives were forced into the same district. ColesCountyDem Mar 2012 #71

what a bitter little freak Champion Jack Mar 2012 #4

If you actually SAW it on The Young Turks last night, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #11

That "bitter little freak" had been working his butt off for you Auggie Mar 2012 #18

He does not speak for me Champion Jack Mar 2012 #23

This is the classic DK thread. People who didn't even see the interview EFerrari Mar 2012 #47

You stay classy, Dennis Orrex Mar 2012 #5

Marcie Kaptur is really a working Democratic Congresswoman BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #7

Glass-Steagall magic59 Mar 2012 #75

she voted to repeal? BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #128

Along with more than 150 other Democrats. onenote Mar 2012 #129

yeah, so what if 150 other democrats voted for repeal newspeak Mar 2012 #189

leaving aside your hypothetical onenote Mar 2012 #190

It's hard to justify this... orwell Mar 2012 #8

There's stuff that conspicuously is not in the article. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #13

Can you fill in the blanks (with a link of course)? MH1 Mar 2012 #16

Not at this moment RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #51

Is this the video that you said doesn't exist? onenote Mar 2012 #69

the cool thing about DU3 is that videos can be embedded in ANY forum! alp227 Mar 2012 #87

What justifies Kucinich's refusing to say anything is RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #89

DK was asked a simple question: should voters in the district vote for Kaptur onenote Mar 2012 #101

No it's not. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #113

His party nominated someone. There was no fraud. He is refusing to support his party. onenote Mar 2012 #117

That's YOUR opinion... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #119

A Democrat staying "neutral" with respect to the Democratic party nominee onenote Mar 2012 #120

As long as one believes that all issues are black and white, it is. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #133

Your belief doesn't trump fact. onenote Mar 2012 #138

Somone needs to send him an olive with the pit still in. nt Phoonzang Mar 2012 #9

And the fact that the GOP was able to gerrymander this conflict into being... dorksied Mar 2012 #12

Agreed. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #15

Oh, really? Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #183

Classic GOP Tactic magic59 Mar 2012 #78

They are even doing it right here on DU. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #187

Blue Dogs on DU never miss an opportunity to shit on progressives. yurbud Mar 2012 #14

I notice that every day. Hun Joro Mar 2012 #17

Which is as typical of them as is when they themselves editorialize of Kucinich, "how typical..." LanternWaste Mar 2012 #19

Why do you assume that it's "blue dogs"? This is bad form, no matter what your politics. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #21

She wants the support of Dennismaniacs cyclezealot Mar 2012 #24

She has to work for all her constituents, old & new. Don't be pissed at Marcy, she didn't.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #28

Its more than just the gerrymander.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #36

Then follow your heart. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #41

Do we forgive those who gave us Glass Steagall. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #72

A "Democratic" president signed Glass Stegall into law. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #90

So 155 of the 211 Democrats in the House at the time cast an "unforgivable" vote? onenote Mar 2012 #118

you mean the repeal of Glass Steagall? yurbud Mar 2012 #188

The OP is a blue dog JonLP24 Mar 2012 #30

I guess I should've asked why he thought it was JUST blue dogs? It isn't. (nt) Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #34

So other than blue dogs that aren't Republicans never miss an opportunity to shit on progressives? JonLP24 Mar 2012 #35

For me, it isn't even about his policy positions. It's HIM. I have an aversion to HIM. I'm..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #40

first of all, your previous posts indicate you are a Blue Dog provis99 Mar 2012 #43

Wrong! But guess what? I don't have to prove anything to you. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #49

here you are telling liberals to shut up. provis99 Mar 2012 #53

And you know they're "liberal" because????? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #58

here you are complaining liberals infest DU. provis99 Mar 2012 #55

And I stand by every post. Which is why I posted them in the first place. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #59

here you are hating liberal icon Hamsher. provis99 Mar 2012 #56

"Icon"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #61

now that post(that you replied to) i think is a perfect example Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #109

"can't take the said poster to serious". Trust me, I never did. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #123

i tend to give people a fair chance until something like that gets posted Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #126

It's all part of the disinformation campaign that has taken the internetz by storm. Hamsher &..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #127

the somewhat hypocritical thing about that partnership tho Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #130

Yup. "He Caved" is an all too familiar refrain around these parts. Bipartanship is bad..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #141

Really? I assume, and hope you are speaking only for yourself. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #157

Obviously speaking for myself as thats the only person whose views i can know and speak of as such Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #176

Thanks, I wasn't trying to change your mind, just offering my own opinion as I saw sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #182

Hamsher, the Hillary shill? joshcryer Mar 2012 #84

omg! lolz! JNelson6563 Mar 2012 #131

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolz Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #140

"Liberal icon"? Arkana Mar 2012 #148

you know what? I think I'll put a Third Way dem like you provis99 Mar 2012 #57

Oh, please don't go away mad,.......! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #60

What happens when you capitulate, on "middle ground," RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #135

The article isn't specific at all JonLP24 Mar 2012 #44

My assessment of Dennis comes mainly from what I've seen of him in the national media. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #54

Well pretty much everyone involved in national politics has a devoted following JonLP24 Mar 2012 #62

I don't really disagree with you, and thanks for the grownup conversation. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #68

I've met Kucinich and he supports Obama. When people in the crowd were trying to diss Obama over the freshwest Mar 2012 #132

Fresh, that's one helluva post, and while I agree with most of it, I still have issues..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #142

That's just it, you can't GET NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #80

Not a big fan of the Blue Dogs, but WTF are you to determine who should & should not.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #92

I disagree. Repub. Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #38

You mean the OP was posting with a purpose? Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #22

Not supporting the Democratic nominee is not a very progressive attribute Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #31

You are conflating "Democratic" with "progressive'. Of course. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Mar 2012 #64

Yup. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #67

No, it's not all blue dogs. tabasco Mar 2012 #77

Progresives get things done, you know, progress. joshcryer Mar 2012 #82

What can Kaptur do for Cleveland? She's in Toledo! If I were Dennis, I wouldn't support her either. NEOBuckeye Mar 2012 #25

What could Kucinich do for Toledo? He's in Cleveland! Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #32

The Toledo vote for DK du_grad Mar 2012 #95

I got gerrymandered out of Marcy's district, too. Bill McBlueState Mar 2012 #185

Sideshow Bob Latta... du_grad Mar 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author du_grad Mar 2012 #96

Dennis needs to join another party. DCBob Mar 2012 #26

So be it.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #27

Then perhaps they should stop issuing threats and ultimatums and just do it? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #37

I have a better idea NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #81

You have much in common with the Tea Party. Moderation is a dirty word now. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #93

It's astonishing some people still think there is little difference between Dems and GOPers.. DCBob Mar 2012 #102

Here here! RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #134

I dont agree our party has "drifted to the right". DCBob Mar 2012 #145

That's the same line that RepubliCONs take RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #165

Cheap shot calling me a Republican. DCBob Mar 2012 #167

Read it again... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #171

I'm old enough to remember the infuriating ways in which some Congressional Dems Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #184

+1 a2liberal Mar 2012 #177

I agree. harmonicon Mar 2012 #39

Kucinich is no Howard Dean. DCBob Mar 2012 #103

Did I say that? harmonicon Mar 2012 #105

Ok understood. DCBob Mar 2012 #107

I think that's the good and bad thing about the party. harmonicon Mar 2012 #110

True, Kucinich is more progressive. But Dean is a good Democrat also. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #153

He is just more extreme.. DCBob Mar 2012 #154

Yes, supporting Universal HC is extreme. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #156

Its not necessarily his policy positions, its his refusal to compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #159

And sometimes you don't compromise. You never, ever compromise on illegal wars but too many of our sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #162

There is always room to compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #168

Yes, so why did our Representatives NOT compromise on these issues? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #172

OF course there are obvious situtations where one cannot compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #178

Actually I dont want anyone to leave the party. DCBob Mar 2012 #48

Wow. tabasco Mar 2012 #79

no they won't. look, I like Dennis a lot cali Mar 2012 #86

You're right. He doesn't just roll over. Bad fit. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #46

How about just not bashing the Democratic candidate?? DCBob Mar 2012 #104

Which one? Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #63

Be careful what you wish for. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #179

Marcy is no saint. Do the research. peace13 Mar 2012 #29

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #42

^^^This^^^ NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #85

soo, since i think Kucinich has good ideas but is useless in actually realizing them Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #111

It is my long standing belief that they are RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #136

Do you believe that the 76 percent of the voters that preferred Kaptur onenote Mar 2012 #139

No, however I do believe RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #169

the vote totals are completely consistent with the historical results onenote Mar 2012 #174

'eat their own' Bill McBlueState Mar 2012 #186

The time to address a campaign.... sendero Mar 2012 #50

One of the REeasons it's important to Vote Democrat, but we always get the same ones JI7 Mar 2012 #52

Simple question: if DK had won the primary and Kaptur refused to endorse him onenote Mar 2012 #66

I suspect all those criticizing Dennis now.. DCBob Mar 2012 #70

Correct. joshcryer Mar 2012 #83

If Kaptur had been called corrupt by association cyclezealot Mar 2012 #73

Not surprising. tabasco Mar 2012 #76

Sore loser. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #88

I see a lot of mud thrown at Dennis here. I see zero SUBSTANCE refuting the charge he makes. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #91

or Republican levels of POLICY yurbud Mar 2012 #94

After reading all of these replies, I can't help but wonder du_grad Mar 2012 #97

she will win without his support JI7 Mar 2012 #98

Even if she is a DINO! RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #114

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a DINO? onenote Mar 2012 #124

Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) Global Teach-In Mar 2012 #99

Politics is not a game for the thin-skinned. baldguy Mar 2012 #106

Is it about you or about the country? Fearless Mar 2012 #115

Many Blue Dogs, aka DINOs here are dissing the most progressive member of the House.. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #121

The most progressive member of the House is refusing to support his party's nominee onenote Mar 2012 #122

Dennis is a diva janet118 Mar 2012 #147

The 2004 Iowa caucus XemaSab Mar 2012 #149

Really? Barney Frank and Alan Grayson both endorsed Kucinich, BECAUSE he works well others. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #158

Proving that local endorsements will trump national endorsements almost every time onenote Mar 2012 #170

I was responding to the notion that he was 'hard to work with'. Clearly some of the most prominent sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #173

I don't think people should be lectured on "divisiveness" from someone who just posted this.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #125

The Freepers who normally troll the site must be having a jolly good time. Beacool Mar 2012 #155

Damn right, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #166

You said it. Kucinich to me has always been a sort of, not sure how to put this, but sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #180

Good for him a2liberal Mar 2012 #175

He's too honest to play their games, and it's astounding how angry it makes people to see sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #181