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Tarheel_Dem

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142. Fresh, that's one helluva post, and while I agree with most of it, I still have issues.....

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:02 AM

Mar 2012

with Kooch. His heart may be in the right place, but he's not averse to a little self promotion. As I stated elsewhere, I wanted Kooch to sit his ass down, out of the public gaze, and really try to bring his colleagues along with him. He has failed to do that. He has three, count them THREE successful pieces of legislation, authored by him, and signed into law. I won't repost them here, because that's just how insignificant they are.

I believe we both support President Obama because he's a surefooted realist. Dennis, on the other hand, is an idealist (at least he plays one on teevee), bordering on zealot. Dennis is hailed as a "fighter", and that's fine, but he has managed to piss off people who should be his natural allies, and that doesn't bode well for a continued successful political career. Just look back at his runs for the presidential nomination. While he has a devoted and vocal following, it's really REALLY small.

As I told another poster, I think my biggest problem is with the viciousness of his supporters (one in particular), and how they've gone after the president with such vitriolic abandon. You, on the other hand, are one of my favorite DU'ers, so in future, I'll try & remember you when posting about Kooch.

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Dennis Kucinich offers no support for Marcy Kaptur after primary defeat [View all] Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 OP

That's typical of Kucinich Renew Deal Mar 2012 #1

yup, the kind of thing that made me mopinko Mar 2012 #6

Kaptur played dirty cyclezealot Mar 2012 #20

Calm down, people. The freepers are snickering. truthisfreedom Mar 2012 #100

On HR 3632. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #108

HR 3632? Don't you mean HR 3606? onenote Mar 2012 #112

Nov. 2011. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #143

Kaptur and most of the Progressive Caucus voted for the bill onenote Mar 2012 #151

"Another bill as terrible as was the repeal of Glass Steagall" grantcart Mar 2012 #116

Both sides were real dirty. Don't forget, "You just can't trust Marcy Kaptur." joshcryer Mar 2012 #137

I lost a lot of respect for Marcy Kaptur in this race also. I guess I didn't know that much about sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #152

you mean he doesn't like to be slandered for no reason? Yeah, typical of him. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #74

Here' s proof the Blue Dogs are ready to Pontificate. When they don't know the facts. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #146

This is not "news", in the context of "latest breaking news" eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #2

is the outcome to this race being contested by him SemperEadem Mar 2012 #3

It wasn't close. n/t ColesCountyDem Mar 2012 #10

wow.. you're right--it wasn't even close SemperEadem Mar 2012 #33

Does this make DK a PUMA? onenote Mar 2012 #65

I wouldn't know what would make Kucinich a puma, nor was it my point. SemperEadem Mar 2012 #144

There is no evidence that the results of the primary were "fishy" onenote Mar 2012 #150

take it up with Brad Blog SemperEadem Mar 2012 #160

i responded to the thread on which BradBlog claimed the results were fishy onenote Mar 2012 #161

I'm not. SemperEadem Mar 2012 #163

My mistake. Since you addressed it in your post I thought you were interested. n/t onenote Mar 2012 #164

I'm sorry that two great progressives were forced into the same district. ColesCountyDem Mar 2012 #71

what a bitter little freak Champion Jack Mar 2012 #4

If you actually SAW it on The Young Turks last night, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #11

That "bitter little freak" had been working his butt off for you Auggie Mar 2012 #18

He does not speak for me Champion Jack Mar 2012 #23

This is the classic DK thread. People who didn't even see the interview EFerrari Mar 2012 #47

You stay classy, Dennis Orrex Mar 2012 #5

Marcie Kaptur is really a working Democratic Congresswoman BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #7

Glass-Steagall magic59 Mar 2012 #75

she voted to repeal? BlueToTheBone Mar 2012 #128

Along with more than 150 other Democrats. onenote Mar 2012 #129

yeah, so what if 150 other democrats voted for repeal newspeak Mar 2012 #189

leaving aside your hypothetical onenote Mar 2012 #190

It's hard to justify this... orwell Mar 2012 #8

There's stuff that conspicuously is not in the article. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #13

Can you fill in the blanks (with a link of course)? MH1 Mar 2012 #16

Not at this moment RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #51

Is this the video that you said doesn't exist? onenote Mar 2012 #69

the cool thing about DU3 is that videos can be embedded in ANY forum! alp227 Mar 2012 #87

What justifies Kucinich's refusing to say anything is RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #89

DK was asked a simple question: should voters in the district vote for Kaptur onenote Mar 2012 #101

No it's not. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #113

His party nominated someone. There was no fraud. He is refusing to support his party. onenote Mar 2012 #117

That's YOUR opinion... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #119

A Democrat staying "neutral" with respect to the Democratic party nominee onenote Mar 2012 #120

As long as one believes that all issues are black and white, it is. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #133

Your belief doesn't trump fact. onenote Mar 2012 #138

Somone needs to send him an olive with the pit still in. nt Phoonzang Mar 2012 #9

And the fact that the GOP was able to gerrymander this conflict into being... dorksied Mar 2012 #12

Agreed. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #15

Oh, really? Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #183

Classic GOP Tactic magic59 Mar 2012 #78

They are even doing it right here on DU. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #187

Blue Dogs on DU never miss an opportunity to shit on progressives. yurbud Mar 2012 #14

I notice that every day. Hun Joro Mar 2012 #17

Which is as typical of them as is when they themselves editorialize of Kucinich, "how typical..." LanternWaste Mar 2012 #19

Why do you assume that it's "blue dogs"? This is bad form, no matter what your politics. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #21

She wants the support of Dennismaniacs cyclezealot Mar 2012 #24

She has to work for all her constituents, old & new. Don't be pissed at Marcy, she didn't.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #28

Its more than just the gerrymander.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #36

Then follow your heart. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #41

Do we forgive those who gave us Glass Steagall. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #72

A "Democratic" president signed Glass Stegall into law. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #90

So 155 of the 211 Democrats in the House at the time cast an "unforgivable" vote? onenote Mar 2012 #118

you mean the repeal of Glass Steagall? yurbud Mar 2012 #188

The OP is a blue dog JonLP24 Mar 2012 #30

I guess I should've asked why he thought it was JUST blue dogs? It isn't. (nt) Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #34

So other than blue dogs that aren't Republicans never miss an opportunity to shit on progressives? JonLP24 Mar 2012 #35

For me, it isn't even about his policy positions. It's HIM. I have an aversion to HIM. I'm..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #40

first of all, your previous posts indicate you are a Blue Dog provis99 Mar 2012 #43

Wrong! But guess what? I don't have to prove anything to you. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #49

here you are telling liberals to shut up. provis99 Mar 2012 #53

And you know they're "liberal" because????? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #58

here you are complaining liberals infest DU. provis99 Mar 2012 #55

And I stand by every post. Which is why I posted them in the first place. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #59

here you are hating liberal icon Hamsher. provis99 Mar 2012 #56

"Icon"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #61

now that post(that you replied to) i think is a perfect example Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #109

"can't take the said poster to serious". Trust me, I never did. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #123

i tend to give people a fair chance until something like that gets posted Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #126

It's all part of the disinformation campaign that has taken the internetz by storm. Hamsher &..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #127

the somewhat hypocritical thing about that partnership tho Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #130

Yup. "He Caved" is an all too familiar refrain around these parts. Bipartanship is bad..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #141

Really? I assume, and hope you are speaking only for yourself. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #157

Obviously speaking for myself as thats the only person whose views i can know and speak of as such Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #176

Thanks, I wasn't trying to change your mind, just offering my own opinion as I saw sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #182

Hamsher, the Hillary shill? joshcryer Mar 2012 #84

omg! lolz! JNelson6563 Mar 2012 #131

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolz Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #140

"Liberal icon"? Arkana Mar 2012 #148

you know what? I think I'll put a Third Way dem like you provis99 Mar 2012 #57

Oh, please don't go away mad,.......! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #60

What happens when you capitulate, on "middle ground," RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #135

The article isn't specific at all JonLP24 Mar 2012 #44

My assessment of Dennis comes mainly from what I've seen of him in the national media. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #54

Well pretty much everyone involved in national politics has a devoted following JonLP24 Mar 2012 #62

I don't really disagree with you, and thanks for the grownup conversation. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #68

I've met Kucinich and he supports Obama. When people in the crowd were trying to diss Obama over the freshwest Mar 2012 #132

Fresh, that's one helluva post, and while I agree with most of it, I still have issues..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #142

That's just it, you can't GET NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #80

Not a big fan of the Blue Dogs, but WTF are you to determine who should & should not.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #92

I disagree. Repub. Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #38

You mean the OP was posting with a purpose? Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #22

Not supporting the Democratic nominee is not a very progressive attribute Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #31

You are conflating "Democratic" with "progressive'. Of course. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Mar 2012 #64

Yup. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #67

No, it's not all blue dogs. tabasco Mar 2012 #77

Progresives get things done, you know, progress. joshcryer Mar 2012 #82

What can Kaptur do for Cleveland? She's in Toledo! If I were Dennis, I wouldn't support her either. NEOBuckeye Mar 2012 #25

What could Kucinich do for Toledo? He's in Cleveland! Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #32

The Toledo vote for DK du_grad Mar 2012 #95

I got gerrymandered out of Marcy's district, too. Bill McBlueState Mar 2012 #185

Sideshow Bob Latta... du_grad Mar 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author du_grad Mar 2012 #96

Dennis needs to join another party. DCBob Mar 2012 #26

So be it.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #27

Then perhaps they should stop issuing threats and ultimatums and just do it? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #37

I have a better idea NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #81

You have much in common with the Tea Party. Moderation is a dirty word now. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #93

It's astonishing some people still think there is little difference between Dems and GOPers.. DCBob Mar 2012 #102

Here here! RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #134

I dont agree our party has "drifted to the right". DCBob Mar 2012 #145

That's the same line that RepubliCONs take RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #165

Cheap shot calling me a Republican. DCBob Mar 2012 #167

Read it again... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #171

I'm old enough to remember the infuriating ways in which some Congressional Dems Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #184

+1 a2liberal Mar 2012 #177

I agree. harmonicon Mar 2012 #39

Kucinich is no Howard Dean. DCBob Mar 2012 #103

Did I say that? harmonicon Mar 2012 #105

Ok understood. DCBob Mar 2012 #107

I think that's the good and bad thing about the party. harmonicon Mar 2012 #110

True, Kucinich is more progressive. But Dean is a good Democrat also. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #153

He is just more extreme.. DCBob Mar 2012 #154

Yes, supporting Universal HC is extreme. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #156

Its not necessarily his policy positions, its his refusal to compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #159

And sometimes you don't compromise. You never, ever compromise on illegal wars but too many of our sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #162

There is always room to compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #168

Yes, so why did our Representatives NOT compromise on these issues? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #172

OF course there are obvious situtations where one cannot compromise. DCBob Mar 2012 #178

Actually I dont want anyone to leave the party. DCBob Mar 2012 #48

Wow. tabasco Mar 2012 #79

no they won't. look, I like Dennis a lot cali Mar 2012 #86

You're right. He doesn't just roll over. Bad fit. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #46

How about just not bashing the Democratic candidate?? DCBob Mar 2012 #104

Which one? Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #63

Be careful what you wish for. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #179

Marcy is no saint. Do the research. peace13 Mar 2012 #29

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #42

^^^This^^^ NorthCarolina Mar 2012 #85

soo, since i think Kucinich has good ideas but is useless in actually realizing them Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2012 #111

It is my long standing belief that they are RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #136

Do you believe that the 76 percent of the voters that preferred Kaptur onenote Mar 2012 #139

No, however I do believe RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #169

the vote totals are completely consistent with the historical results onenote Mar 2012 #174

'eat their own' Bill McBlueState Mar 2012 #186

The time to address a campaign.... sendero Mar 2012 #50

One of the REeasons it's important to Vote Democrat, but we always get the same ones JI7 Mar 2012 #52

Simple question: if DK had won the primary and Kaptur refused to endorse him onenote Mar 2012 #66

I suspect all those criticizing Dennis now.. DCBob Mar 2012 #70

Correct. joshcryer Mar 2012 #83

If Kaptur had been called corrupt by association cyclezealot Mar 2012 #73

Not surprising. tabasco Mar 2012 #76

Sore loser. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #88

I see a lot of mud thrown at Dennis here. I see zero SUBSTANCE refuting the charge he makes. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #91

or Republican levels of POLICY yurbud Mar 2012 #94

After reading all of these replies, I can't help but wonder du_grad Mar 2012 #97

she will win without his support JI7 Mar 2012 #98

Even if she is a DINO! RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #114

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a DINO? onenote Mar 2012 #124

Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) Global Teach-In Mar 2012 #99

Politics is not a game for the thin-skinned. baldguy Mar 2012 #106

Is it about you or about the country? Fearless Mar 2012 #115

Many Blue Dogs, aka DINOs here are dissing the most progressive member of the House.. RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #121

The most progressive member of the House is refusing to support his party's nominee onenote Mar 2012 #122

Dennis is a diva janet118 Mar 2012 #147

The 2004 Iowa caucus XemaSab Mar 2012 #149

Really? Barney Frank and Alan Grayson both endorsed Kucinich, BECAUSE he works well others. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #158

Proving that local endorsements will trump national endorsements almost every time onenote Mar 2012 #170

I was responding to the notion that he was 'hard to work with'. Clearly some of the most prominent sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #173

I don't think people should be lectured on "divisiveness" from someone who just posted this.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #125

The Freepers who normally troll the site must be having a jolly good time. Beacool Mar 2012 #155

Damn right, RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #166

You said it. Kucinich to me has always been a sort of, not sure how to put this, but sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #180

Good for him a2liberal Mar 2012 #175

He's too honest to play their games, and it's astounding how angry it makes people to see sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #181