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(60,536 posts) Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:36 AM Sep 2014

Cops: Gun Range Claimed Uzi Release Forms 'Were Blown Away By The Wind' [View all]

Source: TPM

By AHIZA GARCIA Published SEPTEMBER 3, 2014, 11:23 AM EDT

Staff at an Arizona gun range reportedly told investigators that the release forms signed by the family of a 9-year-old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi last week were unavailable because they had been "blown away by the wind."

An investigative report released by the Mohave County Sheriff's Office to TPM and other news outlets on Tuesday included descriptions by a sergeant and deputy who helped investigate the fatal Aug. 25 shooting at the Bullets and Burgers shooting range in White Hills, Arizona.

The victim, Charles Vacca, was wounded in the head when the 9-year-old girl he was instructing lost control of the Uzi when the gun recoiled. The investigators spoke with the girl's family and the staff of the shooting range and attempted to get the release forms that had apparently been signed by the family, according to the report. Sgt. J. Thien described his attempt to get the releases in the report:

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Cops: Gun Range Claimed Uzi Release Forms 'Were Blown Away By The Wind' [View all] DonViejo Sep 2014 OP

Actually, the dog ate them. DetlefK Sep 2014 #1

my first thought exactly! vlyons Sep 2014 #31

My first thoughts. "The dog ate my homework." Enthusiast Sep 2014 #88

If they can't handle a few pieces of paper carefully, how could they factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #2

Guns are Religious Objects. Papers are just trees. mahannah Sep 2014 #4

That is hilarious amuse bouche Sep 2014 #24

well ever since the Constitution was declared a quaint piece of paper magical thyme Sep 2014 #40

They can't. savalez Sep 2014 #23

poor Deputy Cassidy Enrique Sep 2014 #3

"We keep all our important papers right here in a pile by this outdoor fan." nt valerief Sep 2014 #5

+1 CreekDog Sep 2014 #21

yeah right Roy Rolling Sep 2014 #6

It's the desert, unless it rains, they can be found. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #62

How many roads must Deputy Cassidy walk down KurtNYC Sep 2014 #7

Ha, ha. My thought exactly when I saw the headline. . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #11

Duzy Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2014 #30

+1 sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #65

The Kaiser stole them. EEO Sep 2014 #8

Who? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #27

Grandpa Simpson, years ago when the Simpsons was actually good... EEO Sep 2014 #49

I thought the Kaiser kicked it underpants Sep 2014 #58

what's not to believe? rurallib Sep 2014 #9

I don't think that's what Bob Dylan meant. TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #10

A good lawyer will shoot that excuse full of holes. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2014 #12

That's a given. RebelOne Sep 2014 #22

This range should just shut its doors now leftynyc Sep 2014 #13

Lawsuits of whom against whom? former9thward Sep 2014 #75

They best find that form leftynyc Sep 2014 #86

The parents have expressed sympathy for both the instructor and the gun range. former9thward Sep 2014 #89

Those waivers are virtually useless. In the end, producing that paper won't matter riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #90

I guess expecting something leftynyc Sep 2014 #91

The 9 Year old??? Sparhawk60 Sep 2014 #95

Against the owner of the range leftynyc Sep 2014 #99

Capital Offense Sparhawk60 Sep 2014 #107

. reflection Sep 2014 #14

Oh yeah oldandhappy Sep 2014 #15

Damn it. That one blew up my crap detector, couldn't handed the overload. n/t sarge43 Sep 2014 #16

As the owner of a high risk sport horse training farm, everyone signs a waiver riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #17

Let's just say it's MUCH better to have a signed waiver tabasco Sep 2014 #51

Nope. No way. Liability insurance doesn't operate that way riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #84

I used to work for a riding stable that went out of business after one of those lawsuits. bklyncowgirl Sep 2014 #87

Yup. I've seen it happen to two acquaintances riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #92

I wasn't talking about insurance tabasco Sep 2014 #100

The attorneys will point to the NRA saying Uzis are fine for 8 yr olds. riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #104

We are a litigious society--if people see money dancing before their eyes they'll sue. bklyncowgirl Sep 2014 #108

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. KamaAina Sep 2014 #18

Nice. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #25

At least they've admitted they collected release forms dickthegrouch Sep 2014 #19

Didn't Bob Dylan write a song about this? George II Sep 2014 #20

What is the implication? Is there doubt that the parents gave their permission? aikoaiko Sep 2014 #26

I'll have to use that one next time I get a jury duty notice. C Moon Sep 2014 #28

How does this place keep liability insurance? Sienna86 Sep 2014 #29

I would guess there is going to be a law suit Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #33

Why would the actions of this specific range affect other ranges? Lurks Often Sep 2014 #35

If the dead man's family sues, Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #39

More often then not they do go to court Lurks Often Sep 2014 #41

Insurance companies are very incestuous Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #42

this is hardly the first accident Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #66

Again, the issue is the high profile of the incident Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #94

The police have already said that the negligence rested avebury Sep 2014 #71

Oh, gosh Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #93

Based upon copies of items posted on the dead avebury Sep 2014 #98

Injuries and death at gun ranges are not uncommon NickB79 Sep 2014 #63

Suicide at Ranges Sparhawk60 Sep 2014 #97

I'm thinking the insurance cost for all gun ranges will soon triple... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #52

How would his family win this lawsuit? AngryAmish Sep 2014 #68

Forms 'Were Blown Away By The Wind' Veilex Sep 2014 #32

*headdesk* sakabatou Sep 2014 #34

Yeah, right VA_Jill Sep 2014 #36

If they can't control a piece of paper, how did they expect a 9 year old to control an uzi? appleannie1 Sep 2014 #37

Paperwork?!? Paperwork is for them Washington DC bureeecrats underpants Sep 2014 #57

Good one. freshwest Sep 2014 #96

never existed marions ghost Sep 2014 #38

This guy has a theory of what REALLY happened to it.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #43

What! The Last Dem. Sep 2014 #44

Queue Dylan!! benld74 Sep 2014 #45

Frankly, my dear Lieutenant, I don't give a damn. Orrex Sep 2014 #46

I had a friend who burrowowl Sep 2014 #47

"Blown way"... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #48

LOL wut ...? Lenomsky Sep 2014 #50

It wasn't a so called "assault weapon". beevul Sep 2014 #53

Strangely enough... jmowreader Sep 2014 #55

No, thats not accurate. beevul Sep 2014 #64

doesn't matter, no waver in the world will forgive the negligence by the employee. Sunlei Sep 2014 #54

Looks like they blew it. olegramps Sep 2014 #56

A lot of things are getting blown away at that range. Aristus Sep 2014 #59

So how many deputies are they assigning RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #60

I hope Vacca's wife sues both the range and the parents who allowed their daughter to shoot an Uzi Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #61

the parents shouldnt be sued Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #67

Are you serious? avebury Sep 2014 #72

the parents arent Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #78

I don't see how the parents would have any avebury Sep 2014 #80

that and why did the instructor give it to her, Niceguy1 Sep 2014 #81

fuck the parents.. frylock Sep 2014 #83

The wife can hardly bring about a lawsuit when her husband was negligent avebury Sep 2014 #73

Good heavens. Aerows Sep 2014 #69

If they ever lose their day jobs, Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #70

Gone with the wind! armed_and_liberal Sep 2014 #74

this place is about an hours drive 8 track mind Sep 2014 #76

kinda like drray23 Sep 2014 #77

It wouldn't surprise me if that shoot shop closed before long. elias49 Sep 2014 #79

it already has. drray23 Sep 2014 #82

I'm blown away by that excuse. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #85

Maybe this is why I automatically associate lairs with gun nuts. ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #101

Must...not make Dylan Joke DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #102

sad this is allowed to happen Fred Drum Sep 2014 #103

Gun nuts don't believe in all that paperwork n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #105

The IRS should hire him. n/t Psephos Sep 2014 #106

More. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #109

I thought it was the employee blown away by a 9 year old girl? Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #110