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Igel

(37,608 posts)
27. I've been assigned the status of "nobody"?
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:51 PM
Sep 2014

It was quite clear when it was happening. The NRBO maps indicated it quite clearly. If you read the Russian media the only thing you got was "opolchentsy counterattack" and "victory." If you read the Ukrainian news, you get "terrorist counterattack, assisted by Russian resupply, intelligence, artillery strikes within 20 miles of the border, and probably planning."

The current counteattack was largely denied because it started miles away from the nearest rebel armored vehicles and artillery. The first land taken was around Uspenka. Then it moved west and south a ways. The next bit of land was east of Novoazovsk, but no armor moved from just south of Ilovaisk down to Novoazovsk. Some fighters did, in land rovers and hondas. That was reported. As was the heavy artillery shelling in the area--it started intermittently weeks ago, and ramped up. Then suddenly the border post was taken and dozens of armored vehicles appeared as the "rebels opened another front." As with Uspenka, either tanks and APCs engaged in some pretty serious one-directional quantum tunnelling or they crossed the border. Many would prefer to believe in rather large macroscopic quantum effects.


There have been, however, numerous "counterattacks." Almost every other day for a while. Even as the rebels were retreating. Those, also, were documented in the DPR and LPR websites and Novorossiya press agency, but vanished into the Lethe. The follow-ups that were failures never made it into the Russian press. (By "Russian press" I mean the DPR/LPR and Russian-Federation press, not necessarily the Russian-language press. A lot of Ukrainian press, including the largest channels, is only in Russian or have mostly parallel Russian/Ukrainian sites and reported them--one reason that the Ukrainian press was an early target of the infowarriors in the DPR and LPR. That funny split is, of course, a serious problem for those who insist the Ukrainian government wants to ban all Russian-language everything. At least those who are aware of the facts. What's the saying? Ignorance is bliss?)

The latter weren't so much denied as openly mocked. It took a lot of reinforcements and supplies to equip that army. Putin the Timid didn't commit for a long time, unless it was clear he was up against a moderately committed foe in Ukraine (which goes passive/aggressive) and bunnies in the West.

We saw that before. And it ended very badly before. On the other hand, the Leader had his supporters in the US, just as the new Leader does these days. Slava vozhdi! Slava batyushke!

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Looks like the rebels are just like Hamas. Cant keep to a truce 7962 Sep 2014 #1
They seem to be attacking Ukrainian positions at night now Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #2
Considering the Ukraine military batalians there are Neo-Nazi's it is hard to be certain who may be newthinking Sep 2014 #30
Seems to be at least one side not abiding by agreements Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #34
I've seen reports the pro-Kiev fighters trapped at the Donetsk airport are mercenaries. another_liberal Sep 2014 #3
I saw a report that described Bigfoot. Igel Sep 2014 #4
No one seemed to believe reports of a Separatist offensive either . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #7
quite easy for a turn around Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #11
Some people say that . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #24
I've been assigned the status of "nobody"? Igel Sep 2014 #27
The Svoboda censored Ukrainian news as your source? newthinking Sep 2014 #31
do you have a link to the Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #5
Sure thing . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #8
well thats not it, but an RT story Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #9
As long as Kiev removes its troops and militias from Separatist territory . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #13
except that is not what the agreement says Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #16
Do you not realize what gaining "Special Status" implies in this context? another_liberal Sep 2014 #20
yes I do Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #22
Despite the rhetoric all along special status would have been accepted from the beginning newthinking Sep 2014 #36
Notice it says "Ukrainian Territory". That means Donbass *and* the rest of Ukraine newthinking Sep 2014 #33
So the illegal Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #37
You are way off (and not being rational) here trying to forcast how this will play out newthinking Sep 2014 #39
found the agreement Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #6
Oh they are most certainly "refusing to leave," and then some . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #10
point 10 of the agreement Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #12
Don't be so impatient . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #15
the first thing should be to stop attacking Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #18
Notice it is *after* elections. newthinking Sep 2014 #38
and I ask again Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #14
In the wording, maybe? another_liberal Sep 2014 #17
please post the point in the agreement Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #19
I don't think you are serious . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #21
I just read the agreement Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #23
Yes, the peace agreement allows for the continued occupation of Separatist territory by Ukrainian muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #32
Your opinion is welcome . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #35
That's OK, I'm a native English speaker muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #40
Poroshenko and his fascists finally agreed to a ceasefire because they were winning, right? another_liberal Sep 2014 #47
Calm down. This will take some time and it is not a surrender. All parties will have to act newthinking Sep 2014 #41
What in my post was either not 'calm', or lacking in 'common sense'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #43
Sorry, I think I did reply to the wrong post. Yours was a calm rational response newthinking Sep 2014 #45
Separatists shelling the airport from inside the city with Grads after the cease fire Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #44
I see something we agree on! Miracles never cease ;) newthinking Sep 2014 #46
Are you suggesting... OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #25
crickets nt Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #26
That's been the assertion from the Russian/pro-Russian side. Igel Sep 2014 #28
Hence "the pro-Kiev fighters trapped at the Donetsk airport are mercenaries."... OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #29
Kiev does have a lot of mercanaries fighting. And there were 300 Polish and Georgian Mercs holding newthinking Sep 2014 #48
Bullshit. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #50
This is all premature speculating. That item is #10 and after elections newthinking Sep 2014 #42
The line items in the agreement are not dependent on one another. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #49
since item 12 Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #51
Ukraine might as well cede those territories geek tragedy Sep 2014 #52
Very possible Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #53
No, but they have time to harden their defenses there. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #54
Look at the map and see where these are Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #55
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