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In reply to the discussion: Civilian killed in Ukraine shelling despite truce [View all]Igel
(37,608 posts)It was quite clear when it was happening. The NRBO maps indicated it quite clearly. If you read the Russian media the only thing you got was "opolchentsy counterattack" and "victory." If you read the Ukrainian news, you get "terrorist counterattack, assisted by Russian resupply, intelligence, artillery strikes within 20 miles of the border, and probably planning."
The current counteattack was largely denied because it started miles away from the nearest rebel armored vehicles and artillery. The first land taken was around Uspenka. Then it moved west and south a ways. The next bit of land was east of Novoazovsk, but no armor moved from just south of Ilovaisk down to Novoazovsk. Some fighters did, in land rovers and hondas. That was reported. As was the heavy artillery shelling in the area--it started intermittently weeks ago, and ramped up. Then suddenly the border post was taken and dozens of armored vehicles appeared as the "rebels opened another front." As with Uspenka, either tanks and APCs engaged in some pretty serious one-directional quantum tunnelling or they crossed the border. Many would prefer to believe in rather large macroscopic quantum effects.
There have been, however, numerous "counterattacks." Almost every other day for a while. Even as the rebels were retreating. Those, also, were documented in the DPR and LPR websites and Novorossiya press agency, but vanished into the Lethe. The follow-ups that were failures never made it into the Russian press. (By "Russian press" I mean the DPR/LPR and Russian-Federation press, not necessarily the Russian-language press. A lot of Ukrainian press, including the largest channels, is only in Russian or have mostly parallel Russian/Ukrainian sites and reported them--one reason that the Ukrainian press was an early target of the infowarriors in the DPR and LPR. That funny split is, of course, a serious problem for those who insist the Ukrainian government wants to ban all Russian-language everything. At least those who are aware of the facts. What's the saying? Ignorance is bliss?)
The latter weren't so much denied as openly mocked. It took a lot of reinforcements and supplies to equip that army. Putin the Timid didn't commit for a long time, unless it was clear he was up against a moderately committed foe in Ukraine (which goes passive/aggressive) and bunnies in the West.
We saw that before. And it ended very badly before. On the other hand, the Leader had his supporters in the US, just as the new Leader does these days. Slava vozhdi! Slava batyushke!