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202. What were the president's political advisers thinking then when they advised him to delay? n/t

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Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:47 PM

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APNEWSBREAK: OBAMA TO DELAY IMMIGRATION ACTION [View all] madville Sep 2014 OP

Better to wait till sfter the elections. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #1

Hopefully it doesn't diminish Hispanic voter turnout in some States madville Sep 2014 #4

In reading the rest of the article, Hispanic leaders are NOT happy riversedge Sep 2014 #6

Yeah, it's gonna be a big problem. The increase in deportations under President Obama mucifer Sep 2014 #7

Why do people think not enforcing a law treestar Sep 2014 #71

It becomes very personal to people whose families are torn apart mucifer Sep 2014 #147

Actually a LOT of them do. 7962 Sep 2014 #176

Why? Don't we trust the voters? Do the right thing and the voters will come. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #79

The senate seats are in the south this year so the map is harder. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #84

I say it's a rationalization. Hispanic voters won't be happy and they make up a large rhett o rick Sep 2014 #96

No. the southern seats in this years swing states do not make up a large bloc of voters. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #99

Are you saying that Hispanics don't make up a large bloc of Democrats in the South? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #106

Demographicly in the states that have seats up it has less than say hrmjustin Sep 2014 #109

Why should anyone trust people who let Republicans win? treestar Sep 2014 #137

I didn't say a word about trusting republicans. How many Hispanic Democrats' votes will we rhett o rick Sep 2014 #138

Internal polls must indicate a bloodbath. 1st rule of holes: stop digging. 24601 Sep 2014 #153

There seems to be no right and no wrong any more - just elections. And once elected, getting djean111 Sep 2014 #2

You Nailed it....It's been looking like that for awhile now...and this just confirms it... KoKo Sep 2014 #158

disenfranchised reddread Sep 2014 #165

The most accurate post in this thread. former9thward Sep 2014 #162

You are absolutely right. LoisB Sep 2014 #168

This comment is so going on our Group FACEBOOK page.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #171

+1 n/t enigmatic Sep 2014 #186

This is the correct answer. woo me with science Sep 2014 #207

What the hell? demwing Sep 2014 #3

Acting now also activates their base and since most of the swing senate seats hrmjustin Sep 2014 #5

And do you think not acting and kicking the can down the road Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #10

if he did this now we would have likely lost the senate. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #13

If doing the "right thing" is going to lose the Senate Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #17

It is not the right thing to lose. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #18

SOME people that hang around DU .....just DO NOT understand how politics works I'm afraid! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #19

I get their anger but losing the senate would be a disaster. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #23

EXACTLY.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #27

Exactly. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #33

What you're saying isn't true demwing Sep 2014 #45

lol treestar Sep 2014 #65

"Then he has two solid years and Executive Order pen fully loaded with ink" lunamagica Sep 2014 #48

He's done all he can! treestar Sep 2014 #103

it would lead to a 2 year impeachment trial leftyohiolib Sep 2014 #28

Yes. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #31

And so? /nt demwing Sep 2014 #57

They will drag it out. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #59

Democrat Talking Points... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #172

exactly. If we lose it would make immigration reform even more difficult, plus all the other issues still_one Sep 2014 #43

How do you get more difficult than "No Chance in Hell"? demwing Sep 2014 #98

Immigration reform will never happen, no matter who is in charge. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #116

Not to mention... GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #151

hmmm, logic still_one Sep 2014 #154

Sorry hrmjustin but doing the right thing should never be wrong politically. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #86

mistakes were made with the timing but I have to agree with waiting for the elections. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #90

Postponing actions for political reasons makes Democrats look weak and indecisive. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #94

Perhaps but it will pass. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #97

Wow. demwing Sep 2014 #100

I am being realistic. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #107

Mark my words lunamagica Sep 2014 #121

I hope you are wrong. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #136

No one will be happier than me if I'm wrong lunamagica Sep 2014 #139

That was Obama's and his staff fault for getting people's hopes up hrmjustin Sep 2014 #140

How about republicans all worked up for nothing hehe :P Sunlei Sep 2014 #142

It opens the door wider for Hillary's Candidacy. She's already laid out her platform.... KoKo Sep 2014 #160

I think she has given up any pretense of supporting the 99%. She knows it's her or rhett o rick Sep 2014 #164

I can already hear the ads AngryAmish Sep 2014 #150

Their base is ALREADY energized demwing Sep 2014 #14

I u derstand your anger but the southern state races are very close. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #15

You are absolutely right WE HAVE to hold the Senate.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #22

IF we lose the Senate, it won't be by enough to impeach Obama demwing Sep 2014 #38

You must be dreaming..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #39

I am dreaming, which is infinitely better than scheming demwing Sep 2014 #52

None of that is remotely possible treestar Sep 2014 #69

No actually its not..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #117

Claiming "the end of Obamacares" is a blatant scare tactic, and UNTRUE demwing Sep 2014 #122

Have you not been paying attention to what the teabaggers talk about? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #144

Show us the math demwing Sep 2014 #159

I care about what THEY can do too...IF they take the Senate... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #184

Maybe you just don't know... demwing Sep 2014 #190

UH you are better at Math and Statistics now than 538.com? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #192

You're either willfully ignoring facts... demwing Sep 2014 #194

The FEAR Factor.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #173

So which are you...Democrat or Republican? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #185

Good one... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #189

figures..."Independent" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #191

Oh my God... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #197

snuffing? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #204

If You're Not a WHAT? LOL!!! That's Funny!!! LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #205

and because you are NOT a Democrat...I don't care what you think of me.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #211

So there's a concerted "we" you speak for? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #193

Actually they won't own the Senate. I know that is what our illustrious media would like people to still_one Sep 2014 #56

Exactly. BUT, if we DID lose 2 to 3 seats demwing Sep 2014 #60

You are correct. still_one Sep 2014 #64

Are you referring to this chart over at Real Clear Politics? amandabeech Sep 2014 #179

You are correct, I read it wrong, we have a major issue, it will be an uphill fight, and the only still_one Sep 2014 #180

You are right. GOTV will be crucial. n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #181

So is throwing in the towel before you even get in the ring... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #210

Some house seats might be impacted but the Senate seats are in states with small hrmjustin Sep 2014 #44

Just catching up on this morning's Meet the Press and believe you're right on the numbers. The 24601 Sep 2014 #182

I agree totelly with everything you said. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #49

If they want to shoot themselves in the foot they can do so treestar Sep 2014 #68

Seems there is always a rationalization to not do the correct thing. This action rhett o rick Sep 2014 #91

There's no impeachment, not now, not next year, not ever in this presidency. It never was anything 24601 Sep 2014 #155

I agree. I know they can be stupid, but I just dont see 'em being THAT stupid 7962 Sep 2014 #177

our base will not be energized either way treestar Sep 2014 #66

I agree. our base on this is not nearly as fanatical as theirs treestar Sep 2014 #62

The term is azmom Sep 2014 #156

So it's like the 'keep your powder dry' folks on gay rights in 2006/08/10... (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2014 #196

Yep once again Obama is more worried about republicans than his own base bigdarryl Sep 2014 #152

Perpetual election cycle vi5 Sep 2014 #8

Exactly. What about doing what is right? lunamagica Sep 2014 #58

Right? That's an old fashioned notion demwing Sep 2014 #87

Sigh lunamagica Sep 2014 #89

If the Senate is lost then all is lost, why should that keep Hispanic voters away, rather than fire Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #9

Per the article--from Wales he sounded like he would do it on Friday--now today, we riversedge Sep 2014 #11

Nov.is 2 months away. Best to wait,see if we can elect more who care about immigration. Sunlei Sep 2014 #12

Well, I can already see Univision this coming Sunday. Lobo27 Sep 2014 #16

and THAT will be bullshit....are you saying the Hispanic base doesn't understand that? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #24

No I'm saying I'm hispanic, and this is what they always do. Lobo27 Sep 2014 #25

So ......do they listen? Does everyone believe everything on Fox News? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #29

And it's looking more and more klie Democrats aren't our feiends either lunamagica Sep 2014 #46

Why didn't they turn up in 2010? treestar Sep 2014 #75

It was done fast enough? lunamagica Sep 2014 #125

Um, four of these years featured a Republican Congress treestar Sep 2014 #131

And two did not. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #134

So maybe they should have shown up in 2010 as I said treestar Sep 2014 #135

Exactly treestar...exactly.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #183

They may not listen now, but if it changes then we're deep shit. Lobo27 Sep 2014 #55

Univision is.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #174

You bet the Obama and the Democrats will get trashed tomorrow on Univision lunamagica Sep 2014 #67

Are you saying the the RW base won't be energized? Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #30

How does THAT make them vote for Republicans? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #35

Non-citizens can't vote Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #40

Oh COME ON!....That is ridic....THEY Always turn out in the midterms....that is not new VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #42

It won't. They just wont vote lunamagica Sep 2014 #73

Yeah...SOMEONE IS willing to act.....but SOMEONE is not going to RISK that change VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #82

Ha ha ha then that should bring out the ones who can legally vote, i.e. Iliyah Sep 2014 #47

Best to wait until after the election OldRedneck Sep 2014 #20

Good thing is not your family suffering. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #34

so even if he DID do this now....what do YOU think happens to the legislation once VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #37

I want Obama to fullfil the promise he made over 6 years ago lunamagica Sep 2014 #54

Elections are about majorities treestar Sep 2014 #76

How big of him lunamagica Sep 2014 #85

Yes it is big of him, since the law requires otherwise they will be deported treestar Sep 2014 #92

May I remind you that this was supposed to be an issue near and dear to his heart lunamagica Sep 2014 #108

What do you think his promise was? treestar Sep 2014 #129

Oh, really lunamagica Sep 2014 #132

This is a no win situation for the president. Do it and red state Democrats are mad. totodeinhere Sep 2014 #21

This situation existed at the beginning of the summer Savannahmann Sep 2014 #61

Thank you. That is a very thoughtful analysis. You should have been one of the president's totodeinhere Sep 2014 #145

All the red state Dems I know are pro reform Ash_F Sep 2014 #200

What were the president's political advisers thinking then when they advised him to delay? n/t totodeinhere Sep 2014 #202

Maybe they are idiots? Ash_F Sep 2014 #203

Pres O probably do have a viable immigration plan Iliyah Sep 2014 #26

recent a dreamer advocate asked a Republican a ? about why he wants to deport everyone. Sunlei Sep 2014 #77

Exactly it would have passed already but for the Republican House treestar Sep 2014 #80

Yes, 2010 was a disaster for the President and the country. amandabeech Sep 2014 #187

Another broken promise lunamagica Sep 2014 #32

I guess "Dreamers" executive order? Iliyah Sep 2014 #41

If it's so unpopular, maybe he shouldn't do it at all. candelista Sep 2014 #36

Good decision. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #50

No big deal? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #53

As someone in a conservative state who wants to kick the GOP candidate to the curb... conservaphobe Sep 2014 #63

How many of your family members have been deported? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #70

Not as many that have struggled as a result of conservative economic policies. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #72

Then don't get mad when they don't show up to support you. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #78

Who cares - they are shooting themselves in the foot. treestar Sep 2014 #88

Newsflash: There wont be any Amnesty, as for enforcing the laws, didn't you know lunamagica Sep 2014 #95

No you are saying the rest of us should support your needs treestar Sep 2014 #101

He had a dem house for two years lunamagica Sep 2014 #113

No you made it clear you care only about you treestar Sep 2014 #123

SIX YEARS< with no resolution is sight lunamagica Sep 2014 #128

For crying out loud Iliyah Sep 2014 #143

Then your beef is with Nancy Pelosi. Where was the legislation? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #178

You were wrong. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #105

I can see that. I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #111

I'm not surprised. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #114

wrong place lunamagica Sep 2014 #118

It is really insulting lunamagica Sep 2014 #119

Exactly.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #175

Glad you got what you wanted then Ash_F Sep 2014 #201

None. treestar Sep 2014 #83

So brown people should vote Democrat because you said so? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #112

Brown people should vote Democratic because it's in their best interests? treestar Sep 2014 #124

This is about more than just brown people. Many Hispanics are lilly white. totodeinhere Sep 2014 #146

If their own issues were a big deal to THEM, then they'd treestar Sep 2014 #81

They did and do historically. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #115

They would have gotten more had they shown up in 2010 treestar Sep 2014 #120

Should? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #188

I'm a Hispanic who was born here Reter Sep 2014 #169

Indeed. Interesting read. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #163

"This is how politics works" said the white liberal. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #51

Being brave doesn't always work treestar Sep 2014 #93

Neither does perpetual marginalization. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #102

So who will they support, the Republicans? treestar Sep 2014 #104

Who knows? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #110

Nothing stops them from doing that treestar Sep 2014 #127

You just summed up the entirety of the Democratic party platform. vi5 Sep 2014 #126

You are killing me lunamagica Sep 2014 #130

It should be treestar Sep 2014 #133

Who said I have one issue? vi5 Sep 2014 #148

It's not unthinkable that some Hispanics might vote Republican. Remember that totodeinhere Sep 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #74

Profile in NOT SO MUCH COURAGE JCMach1 Sep 2014 #141

Profile in collusion. nt woo me with science Sep 2014 #208

Accepting this much anguish to win the election must mean it is important Eagle_Eye Sep 2014 #157

It is possible action could drive up turnout on our side mvd Sep 2014 #161

Pragmatic decision that I don't have to love. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #166

He's right and the immigration advocates are right loyalsister Sep 2014 #167

The problem is that now the republicans don't even have to prove anything ripcord Sep 2014 #195

They can't prove or disprove the future loyalsister Sep 2014 #198

I think he should adopt far right wing positions on EVERY ISSUE to help us hold the Doctor_J Sep 2014 #170

That'll get them out to the polls! /nt Ash_F Sep 2014 #199

Lies upon lies upon lies. woo me with science Sep 2014 #206

More of that ninth-level ninja mind chess no doubt.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #209