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In reply to the discussion: Gunpowder residue found on 18-year-old in St. Louis police shooting [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)80. My first impression on this story, before going to the link matches the link:
Last edited Wed Oct 15, 2014, 06:06 AM - Edit history (1)
Individuals shot at close range can have gunshot residue deposited onto their hands, the statement said. The presence of gunshot residue on the jeans and shirt could be from being in the environment of a discharged weapon or coming in contact with an object with gunshot residue on it.If the officer (who was not a police officer acting as law enforcement but as a private security guard) was upclose or the young man held his hands up, it might account for the GSR.
And we are speculating from what is in media reports and not the official reports nor what would be used in a trial. We still don't know, no reason for the vitriol down thread.
This may mean nothing at all to culpability when it's fully reviewed, and we probably will not get all the facts to discuss it even then.
Until then, we still obliged to regard this shooting with great suspicion.
EDIT for branford: The company the shooter worked for also has a record of not following the best practices. Companies do not pay out settlements to make people happy. See the link:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/security-firm-involved-in-st-louis-shooting-has-history-of-lawsuits
The young man who is dead, whether or not he was the criminal some say he was, cannot speak for himself now.
And the grief of his family and the harm to POC for centuries of terrorism committed against them in the USA will play a factor.
EDIT for branford: I did NOT say the factor would be in play at the trial. The grief of his parents didn't do a thing for Trayvon Martin's trial (he was clearly on trial in the media, while Zimmermann was lionized) and it hasn't even effected an arrest in the Michael Brown case. But it is a matter in the court of public opinion, and ubiquitous. And the context of that statement is:
A social revolution at the ballot box is the only way to change this, but only after people first admit there is a systematic problem. This is not part of the 'post racial' society that some may want to view this event in.
EDIT for branford: coming in contact with an object with gunshot residue on it may very well mean his hands had GSR and he put them in his pants.
And anyone can be viewed with suspicion. No one gets a free pass in matters of life and death. EOM.
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Gunpowder residue found on 18-year-old in St. Louis police shooting [View all]
philosslayer
Oct 2014
OP
The unsupported allegation of an apparently self-proclaimed "activist" is not evidence.
branford
Oct 2014
#17
We have no such thing. We have a report in the LA Times of a release from the
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#39
I am not a cop. I am a trial attorney in NYC with no personal or professional connection
branford
Oct 2014
#48
This LA Times report proves absolutely NOTHING. Zip! As a lawyer, you should
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#51
Actually, it makes the old whore the LA Times look foolish for uncritically printing
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#60
They "put the question to rest" in the minds of people like you who already
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#37
At this point, I'm not sure I fully trust even the CRD of the U.S. DoJ. But I still fail to see
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#45
Are you a cop? This report in the whore publication the LA Times proves
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#53
"Pig lovers" "Whore publication" It seems you're the one who's already made up their mind.
branford
Oct 2014
#61
I'll bet you believed the LA Times when it reported in 2002 that Iraq had
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#62
We'll just have to bookmark your post for when the feds fail to charge the charge
branford
Oct 2014
#52
It was the residue found INSIDE of the waistband that strongly indicates he was armed
Lurks Often
Oct 2014
#95
I personally want to see what the fingerprint tests come back with on the gun.
cstanleytech
Oct 2014
#10
Thats enough to make white people feel good about another dead black youth.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#18
Are you suggesting that regardless of the evidence, the shooting was unjustified,
branford
Oct 2014
#20
Are you suggesting the only way to "eliminate racial disparities in the criminal justice system",...
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#23
Well they can always check which hand the prints came from and how they were positioned on the
cstanleytech
Oct 2014
#14
Ah,...so that explains why the cops were all standing around snickering....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#11
I assume that you have credible evidence of your allegations as it pertains to the Myers shooting?
branford
Oct 2014
#21
I have credible evidence that the entire police force should be fired for sheer STUPIDITY.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#22
Again, where is you evidence of the alleged "snickering" after the Myers shooting?
branford
Oct 2014
#28
I was online here and there were links to people on the ground providing live feeds....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#40
If there was a high definition video with sound, filmed by the Pope and Obama,
branford
Oct 2014
#19
I suppose a mom saying, "Armed with a sandwich" tends to stick in the mind too.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#26
Although I empathize with Myers' mother's grief, she is not a witness to the incident.
branford
Oct 2014
#34
Funny how these shootings produce people franticly denying it's racial too....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#36
The circumstances of the Myers and Brown shooting appear to be very different.
branford
Oct 2014
#42
According to the locals there was a foot pursuit and he was mistaken for a perp.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#43
Myers was mistaken by the pig for one of the perps he was pursuing. That's
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#57
I'd like to say that some readers on DU are merely credulous, giving them the
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#71
Did you join the protests? I got it from the live feeds of people on the ground.
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#103
Fair Warning: the LA Times reported that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction back
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#55
Maybe if you did a little research, you would realize that it's not only the LA Times reporting this
GGJohn
Oct 2014
#63
Oh, 'execution' is putting it politely. How about 'gunned him down with
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#68
Funny how if the execution of Myers was so righteous, the SLPD can't release the
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#65
My first impression on this story, before going to the link matches the link:
freshwest
Oct 2014
#80
We are on a message board, not in the streets as a mob, and not in court. EDITED for you:
freshwest
Oct 2014
#83