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Kall

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21. Puts it all into words.

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:16 PM

Jun 2016

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I hope people here enjoy their echo chamber starting next week. I'm sure when the GOP goes after her for things like her $225,000/hour speaking fees while she was laying out another Presidential run in an era of absolute public disgust with politicians, the echo chamber here will blame Bernie, instead of holding Hillary responsible for the fact that the criticism is legitimate, foreseeable, and would have been made anyway. Never mind her errors in judgment like total disregard for the rules as confirmed by Obama's IG in setting up her email server in her house through which classified information passed, or brazen lies like the Bosnian sniper fire episode. Thanks to the Democratic nominee being Hillary Clinton, the GOP has a weapon it has never had - truth.

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Matt Taibbi: Democrats Will Learn All the Wrong Lessons From Brush With Bernie [View all] antigop Jun 2016 OP

This is absolutely so true. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #1

Maybe Our Leaders Don't Want Landslide Change billhicks76 Jun 2016 #69

No maybe about that. MisterFred Jun 2016 #74

It's a Vichy regime alright. I always love the resistance way more than Vichy government. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #108

highprinciple, hope I'm not stepping on your saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #193

highprinciple, hope I'm not stepping on your saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #194

I'm down with that. We need more music celebrating the People around here! Thanks. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #196

Thank you, Marley and Bootsy made my day. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #197

"So Much Trouble In The World" SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #203

Awesome Justice4 Jun 2016 #233

tired of reading the happy-talk SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #201

Be sure that you read the rules about posting. ehrnst Jun 2016 #236

" Maybe Our Leaders Don't Want Landslide Change" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #157

Nailed It billhicks76 Jun 2016 #160

Yep Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #116

Seems they want to dismiss Bernie and the issues he and the majority stand for ASAP bjobotts Jun 2016 #154

Not only should he have been impeached... SylviaD Jun 2016 #190

Bad hair-do. SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #212

Now that they have won Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #2

And they'll call it "unity" pengu Jun 2016 #77

Isn't that the point of underground? We are Democrats who want and need change. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #119

Apparently DU is now part of the establishment apparatus Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #120

Correction: a D with some undetermined amount of time. libdem4life Jun 2016 #127

Yup zipplewrath Jun 2016 #128

Democratic Overground? Kall Jun 2016 #152

Nonsense.Anti republican DU believes in making the best out of what"s there, pushing left bjobotts Jun 2016 #156

The evidence is pretty substantial that HRC is NOT "progressive" or "liberal" Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #162

You mean the lesser of 2 evils classykaren Jun 2016 #183

Underground? freebrew Jun 2016 #131

Totally agree except for one thing... cui bono Jun 2016 #136

There was a thread a little while ago... freebrew Jun 2016 #138

Revoke the ic. It now should be Democrat Underground. RW'ers love that one. brewens Jun 2016 #150

I usd to ridicule without mercy working Americans who voted AGAINST... bvar22 Jun 2016 #149

And asking me for donations to do it. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Jun 2016 #218

Democratic "Underground" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #155

Umhummmm SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #222

Thanks for posting this. K&R. Eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #3

Democratic voter participation has been abysmal for a long time. You need real political power Trust Buster Jun 2016 #4

Political power like that is bought or FOUGHT for. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #10

VOTER participation is abysmal I'm America ... KPN Jun 2016 #86

You have to give people a reason to vote. Scruffy1 Jun 2016 #118

Great idea. Alas, too much money at stake RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #5

That's just it, what fun is all of that power without gobs of money to go with it? Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #35

no change will come when you have the Clintonians gleefully cackling over AntiBank Jun 2016 #41

Here's what one of my friends said about them: chervilant Jun 2016 #82

I think he thinks too highly of them. KPN Jun 2016 #89

I have long felt that our community chervilant Jun 2016 #206

I hear ya! KPN Jun 2016 #219

HRC fans? SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #223

That is because ignorance is strength. zeemike Jun 2016 #132

Against Stupidity the Very Gods themselves Contend in Vain! FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #145

Thank you for sharing this. chervilant Jun 2016 #207

It is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect elljay Jun 2016 #195

I am so glad you shared this. chervilant Jun 2016 #208

I don't think so elljay Jun 2016 #214

The party is losing the younger generations. They are sickened by what they see, money-grubbing Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #87

Invasion of the Body Snatchers? mdbl Jun 2016 #72

Eventually may not be soon enough. KPN Jun 2016 #88

So true. It all makes me disgusted with establishment Dems. What little vision .. just greed. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #6

This is all so true,dems would have been in power wendylaroux Jun 2016 #7

Establishment game plan. Jackilope Jun 2016 #18

well put AntiBank Jun 2016 #57

That is exactly what the millenials believe: KPN Jun 2016 #90

It's what they've been taught. Igel Jun 2016 #113

Observation, real life experience and ... KPN Jun 2016 #122

It's not so much taught, Fenimore Jun 2016 #141

They have to count your vote. SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #224

We've had a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.... Raster Jun 2016 #8

Send the Republicans into the desert shadowmayor Jun 2016 #23

the problem is that if the centre right party is destroyed AntiBank Jun 2016 #47

Yup. Exactly what I've been thinking. The Democrats KPN Jun 2016 #91

Yes. The dirty little secret about a 2 party system is that a truly big tent left wing party AntiBank Jun 2016 #93

People who have no vision passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #28

Oh, that's not why they hate Bernie. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #31

So Now Who Is Going To Fix Our Completely Corrupt Rigged, 1% Ran Government? scottie55 Jun 2016 #55

What's four more years on top of six generations? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #58

You are correct Scoot, that is not the real reason why they hate Bernie. Raster Jun 2016 #139

bingo dembotoz Jun 2016 #144

Excellent points all!! Thank you. FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #147

Most welcome. Raster Jun 2016 #148

I think it's a two-fold problem passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #158

You are correct. FEAR is a powerful motivator. I have learned that ANYTIME, ANYONE... Raster Jun 2016 #161

Spot on! geardaddy Jun 2016 #178

Very Well Said NikolaC Jun 2016 #192

Exactly! I made the same point before seeing this post. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #62

Yeah, that one... bonemachine Jun 2016 #130

Wow, this is exactly how so many Hillary fans saw Bernie. Beartracks Jun 2016 #29

There was a notorious anti-Bernie poster... Raster Jun 2016 #33

Wow. That kinda sums up the attitude of many Hill fans. Beartracks Jun 2016 #37

superb summation AntiBank Jun 2016 #42

It's the Idiocracy syndrome mdbl Jun 2016 #73

Wow... chervilant Jun 2016 #83

and let's call a spade a spade: Raster Jun 2016 #143

HRC's supporters here on DU say this all the time: tblue37 Jun 2016 #61

SO true Plucketeer Jun 2016 #98

Pure projecting by people blinded for so long, who have forgotten the past, so we are now FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #153

This might be the saddest thing I've read today: CrispyQ Jun 2016 #104

It's a long ways to the GE. This has been an election season with libdem4life Jun 2016 #129

I'm not sure they didn't grasp it, I think they purposely squashed it. cui bono Jun 2016 #137

I concur. Raster Jun 2016 #140

Corporate establishment won Geronimoe Jun 2016 #9

Hell California didn't even count more than a third before they declared a Hillary victory. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #11

Who's "they"? Igel Jun 2016 #115

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #26

I have zero confidence in our electoral process. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #105

It may be they Party swings further right to absorb what remains of the GOP. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #12

this has already started to happen. As for a new left party forming AntiBank Jun 2016 #48

No, it wouldn't. Igel Jun 2016 #117

New Democratic party.... SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #225

People who want major political change shouldn't think top-down: struggle4progress Jun 2016 #13

Maybe our "allies" shouldn't work so hard to poison us when we try Scootaloo Jun 2016 #34

We can organize for the issues important to us and then use our organization struggle4progress Jun 2016 #63

And my point is those who pose as allies so often work to sabotage. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #67

the corporate money is so vast the power establishment can crush AntiBank Jun 2016 #44

"Resistance is futile!" struggle4progress Jun 2016 #64

No, remove the corporate money from the election system, by any means necessary AntiBank Jun 2016 #65

Have to win elections to do that. And after winning elections, still have to lobby struggle4progress Jun 2016 #66

spot on AntiBank - that is Step 1 in what will be a long term process. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #109

The people who don't vote are the problem The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #121

Please enlighten us on how people should educate themselves and participate in the d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #164

How does any of that have anything to do with a person going to the polls The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #175

I'm sure working class families go home to watch dancing with the stars d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #185

All valid facts The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #234

same old shit. SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #210

The messaging needs to evolve from a national educational format. libdem4life Jun 2016 #133

Most hilariously self-described "progressives" here missed those same things. nt villager Jun 2016 #14

'the party leaders have been and probably will continue to be too dense to listen. elleng Jun 2016 #15

they aren't dense at all, they goddamn well know what they are doing AntiBank Jun 2016 #51

Right elleng Jun 2016 #52

The Democratic Party should do that. tom_kelly Jun 2016 #16

Hooooey...much prefer Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #17

I've been really sad over this. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #19

How do we know what voters would support? IronLionZion Jun 2016 #20

"the number of voters who nominated a hateful bloviating buffoon with no qualifications" AntiBank Jun 2016 #56

Puts it all into words. Kall Jun 2016 #21

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #27

It's all about maintaining truebluegreen Jun 2016 #22

It's early yet. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #24

They have polled elljay Jun 2016 #39

I don't think fed up people will vote for a racist, homophobic, vile asshole. leftofcool Jun 2016 #75

And that is the problem elljay Jun 2016 #107

Geez, this country allowed Dick Cheney and GW Bush to run it into the ground- FOR 8 YEARS! mdbl Jun 2016 #198

Oh they may not ALL be racist. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #202

Excellent post, thank you, nt stopwastingmymoney Jun 2016 #40

Brilliant post The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #124

k/r x a zillion 840high Jun 2016 #25

Very true. It's doubtful the DNC lightbulb goes on. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #30

^^^THIS^^^^!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #46

... and that will give the Republicans the time they need ... surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #81

He talks as if he knows something. He knows nothing. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #32

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #36

Most times we try to engage Clinton supporters on the issues AntiBank Jun 2016 #50

That Darn Jimmy Carter Saying Our Country Is An Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery!!!! scottie55 Jun 2016 #54

Well, only Dorothy Gale talks to straw men, so... Scootaloo Jun 2016 #68

Nicely said. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #186

With an unhinged right wing party that is no longer centre right AntiBank Jun 2016 #38

Not since LBJ shadowmayor Jun 2016 #49

This needs to be recognized more. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #187

I've seen comments claiming, "The American people have rejected Bernie's message." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #43

the systemic controllers a priori rejected his message and steered accordingly AntiBank Jun 2016 #59

They largely have unfortunately c-ville rook Jun 2016 #112

Actually, a big chunk of this country consists of disillusioned middle-aged suicides.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #142

The problem with "the people" is they are very much stupid, ignorant and ill-informed, by plan. FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #151

The media never aired his speeches.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #180

Worse, they cut Bernie off when he was saying something that they could not handle; such FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #188

Cannot agree more. Look at the recs these types of stories get. What to do, Sigh. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #45

K&R. Absolutely! dchill Jun 2016 #53

Don't forget-- tblue37 Jun 2016 #60

They can't hear you, Matt. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #70

The kind of cheerleading I've been seeing makes me sick. alarimer Jun 2016 #100

To quite a few people on DU, and in the American political arena... Raster Jun 2016 #146

I know it's a bit off the subject but... Harriety Jun 2016 #71

The problem there is that Biden is just as much a corporatist as Hillary. He is just folksier. djean111 Jun 2016 #76

K&R myrna minx Jun 2016 #78

Democrats have moved to the right and have no intention of getting behind anything progressive. djean111 Jun 2016 #79

"If the Democratic Party would ... Scuba Jun 2016 #80

Why would the democratic party want to learn something different? seabeckind Jun 2016 #84

The tagline that ran under the article's headline: Miles Archer Jun 2016 #85

antigop—Well… CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #92

K&R... disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #94

HRC will take the party even further to the right. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #95

I guess to beat the republicans we had to become the republicans (nt) pokerfan Jun 2016 #189

Party Leaders zentrum Jun 2016 #96

If they would represent The People they could win without dirty corporate money. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #97

the meat of the matter DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #99

He must be in high demand. Politicub Jun 2016 #101

"Washington culture is too far up its own backside to see much of anything at all." alarimer Jun 2016 #102

I think that Cornell West explains why those Democrats who deserve an easier time won't get it. midnight Jun 2016 #103

"Smugness redoubled" indeed. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #106

The naiveté being expressed in this thread is matched only stopbush Jun 2016 #110

You might want to consider changing your username then. Bush hasn't been president for a while. nt 2cannan Jun 2016 #159

My user name dates back to 2001, when I joined DU. Long-timers here stopbush Jun 2016 #171

I know--it was really just a tongue-in-cheek comment. I only said it because you were urging Bernie 2cannan Jun 2016 #173

OK. stopbush Jun 2016 #174

I'm not sure that's true. TonyPDX Jun 2016 #111

They'd win elections but wouldn't get the goodies from oligarchs. Priorities, priorities! nt valerief Jun 2016 #114

Instead...Hillary's latest victories mean any "pressure" they might have felt to change has now been AlbertCat Jun 2016 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #125

This sums up the Bernie Fan mentality to a T Tarc Jun 2016 #126

This sums up you. Making unsupported offensive accusations.He won 47% of the vote bjobotts Jun 2016 #163

"If independent were allowed to vote..." Tarc Jun 2016 #165

We don't know? SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #213

Yes, and that is a good thing Tarc Jun 2016 #217

OK, and if you're so freakin' interested in having a closed primary... Raster Jun 2016 #221

You don't get to decide where your taxes specifically go to, bro Tarc Jun 2016 #228

No, this is different, we are talking about voting. Raster Jun 2016 #230

It isn't different at all Tarc Jun 2016 #231

couldn't agree more ProfessorPlum Jun 2016 #134

K/R Jack Rabbit Jun 2016 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #166

Ut oh, RollingStone will soon be thrown under the bus Corruption Inc Jun 2016 #167

The fundamental structure of our two-party system... afertal Jun 2016 #168

Best post in the thread so far, very well put Fumesucker Jun 2016 #215

notion of pushing the dem party left is silly as long as certainot Jun 2016 #169

the bolded part is spot on. the racist and sexist half of the party wasted an opportunity we won't Doctor_J Jun 2016 #170

K&R LiberalEsto Jun 2016 #172

Odd he would bring up unions, when many are the top Hillary contributors. Very odd. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #176

This may backfire on them sandyshoes17 Jun 2016 #177

Have fun! SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #211

K & R geardaddy Jun 2016 #179

"Stop taking giant gobs of money" ThoughtCriminal Jun 2016 #181

They don't want to win for US. They want to win for TPTB. That's not us. senz Jun 2016 #182

Is it that the Party Leaders "are dense" ?? Or is it that truedelphi Jun 2016 #184

They will remain corrupt cowards. LS_Editor Jun 2016 #191

Anyone up for a viewing of Mr Smith goes to Washington? mdbl Jun 2016 #199

The Solution is Simple Ccarmona Jun 2016 #200

Today's Democratic Party is a pathetic and weak excuse for good political discourse Stainless Jun 2016 #204

insincere words of praise SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #209

Why is Taibbi even considered relevant? Gman Jun 2016 #205

The real question remains unanswered: Why does anyone think Hillary is still considered relevant? Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #216

Investigating her for the four years as SOS?? Gman Jun 2016 #232

I guess the Democrat who voted for her in the primaries are irrelevant according to still_one Jun 2016 #229

if Dems did what Taibbi said, GOP would be dead and useless as an excuse yurbud Jun 2016 #220

But if the Democratic Party followed Taibbi's advice......... guillaumeb Jun 2016 #226

Lesson #1: Bully tactics don't supersede the will of the voters. annavictorious Jun 2016 #227

(kick) Electric Monk Jun 2016 #235

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #237