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shadowmayor

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14. You are fucking welcome people!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

Spent a year in Abu Ghraib prison - er detention facility as an engineer cross-leveled and stopped-lossed to help the MP reservists charged with running the place during OIF3. This old sergeant knew before going in that Iraq was pure horseshit and I spoke out loudly and repeatedly. Some hated me for it, others came around as time went by. The brass wanted to kill me. Really knew it was folly while I was dodging mortars and rockets and RPG's and bullets (still waiting on those flowers Donny!). We gathered up Iraqis by the truck-load often for no other reason than being over 5 feet tall and living in the wrong neighborhood. This process led to a collection of really pissed-off Sunnis meeting each other for the first time and devising a plan of action. Abu Ghraib was like their boot camp, and then they were sent to Bucca where they were allowed to supervise themselves and formulate the group that we now call ISIS. So you are all very welcome for the work I did. I helped create ISIS - ta da!!!

And another thing. The Surge was pure bullshit propaganda put out by Petraeus and the other butt-kissing star officers to save face for the Bushies. In reality, we paid a shit-ton (that's an Army term for many boat-loads) of cash to the Sunni tribal leaders, especially in the Anbar province to "stand down" their attacks on the Americans. Simultaneously, we were partitioning Baghdad and other cities ensuring the Sunni-Shiite divide would fester and continue the civil war we unleashed. After we left, these Sunni leaders with all their cash and arms where swept into the arms of a new group fighting for Sunni autonomy in a country now being led by Shiites hell-bent on revenge. And the fawning corporate media and duffers like Magoo (McCain) still believe the myth of the surge.

What a mess for the next administration to inherit - especially when the military was being led by such incompetents. I remember junior saying he would never leave an on-going war to his successor like Daddy did in Somalia for Clinton. Well, in a way he was correct - he fucking left two wars to be cleaned up!

What in the hell did the people of Iraq ever do to the people of the United States???

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i could not agree more. Odd things about Afghanistan is that al Qaeda was gone by 2002 tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
And the so called News Media will never admitt they fostered Wellstone ruled Jun 2016 #7
Nobel Prize Winning Obama Becomes Longest War Time President In US History Rockyj Jun 2016 #30
That's a measure of how much of a mess the Bush regime left. baldguy Jun 2016 #34
No shit sherlock... nt Purveyor Jun 2016 #2
Duh.....who doesn't understand this is more of a question Person 2713 Jun 2016 #3
John McCain, for one. n/t Tess49 Jun 2016 #8
A notable Pro-War "Democrat" who stated: bvar22 Jun 2016 #11
You're not allowed to point that out on this forum anymore Victor_c3 Jun 2016 #42
I didnt even need the sarcasm thingy.... chknltl Jun 2016 #54
It is a shame that the men and women of our armed Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #4
Life in prison... freebrew Jun 2016 #10
It is a shame that the men and women of our armed forces have been used .... AlbertCat Jun 2016 #18
That is 100% true. I think 911 would have also been prevented if it was a Democrat in office. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #5
right, but remember greenman3610 Jun 2016 #37
nss niyad Jun 2016 #6
And don't forget what our former "great" Secretary of State has publically claimed: DrBulldog Jun 2016 #9
She scares me more than McCain. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #12
Yep, matter of judgement. seabeckind Jun 2016 #38
Thank you. People forget there was a broken promise to get those Senate votes. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #43
... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #48
Here is a link to that interview... xocet Jun 2016 #13
Thanks, xocet. elleng Jun 2016 #21
You are fucking welcome people! shadowmayor Jun 2016 #14
They Let Our Oil Be Under Their Sand scottie55 Jun 2016 #20
SORRY, shadowmayor; elleng Jun 2016 #22
Been here a while shadowmayor Jun 2016 #23
true patriot heaven05 Jun 2016 #41
thanks for sharing LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #46
Tried to do what we could shadowmayor Jun 2016 #53
well, once the Sons of Iraq were up and running--uh ... MisterP Jun 2016 #50
Amen Mister P shadowmayor Jun 2016 #51
well there was still the Surge(s) and a certain SoS's insistence that the only problem MisterP Jun 2016 #52
A Brewery shadowmayor Jun 2016 #55
heck, before the sanctions they had a tremendous obesity problem--and that was during the war MisterP Jun 2016 #56
Sunnis, Shiites, AND Christians lived in mixed neighborhoods. bvar22 Jun 2016 #57
The simple TRUTH. Duval Jun 2016 #15
No. WE weren't too dumb and allowing our emotions to take over. maddiemom Jun 2016 #16
+a zillion truebluegreen Jun 2016 #33
And HRC told us all to go pound sand... demmayhem Jun 2016 #45
ISIS Would Not Exist If Bush Hadn’t Invaded Iraq. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #17
McCain's Head Explodes scottie55 Jun 2016 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #24
You're welcome, Joe. elleng Jun 2016 #25
The PNAC had been looking for an excuse and they found it The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #26
Yes, they sure did, elleng Jun 2016 #27
Thank you, elleng. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #28
Bush was specifically informed, in advance of his invasion, of "The Pottery Barn" rule Midnight Writer Jun 2016 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #31
K&R blackspade Jun 2016 #32
yes and no. A Special Forces head is not an expert on terrorism or the ME. uhnope Jun 2016 #35
Were we not told this was going to be a cake walk? midnight Jun 2016 #36
The question now, When will they listen to those of us who were right about this since Vetnam? L. Coyote Jun 2016 #39
+1000--so very true heaven05 Jun 2016 #40
The worst thing about all this is that sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #44
K&R There it is plain as fucking day. JEB Jun 2016 #47
I was screaming at my TV back then LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #49
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