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Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:01 AM Dec 2023

Curtains for Moms for Liberty: The fallout of a rape charge shows the far-right group is floundering [View all]

Curtains for Moms for Liberty: The fallout of a rape charge shows the far-right group is floundering
Gov. Ron DeSantis bet big on the book banners, but after electoral losses, even he's pushing them out the door

Senior Writer

(Salon) At first, there was little that was surprising about a report that Christian Ziegler, the husband of Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler, is under police investigation in Sarasota, FL following a rape allegation. The modus operandi of Moms for Liberty and their allies is implying, often outright falsely accusing, everyone from drag queens to school librarians of being sexual predators. Lurid finger-pointing from conservatives is often, as most folks have figured out by now, a form of psychological projection. It hasn't even been two weeks since the release of a similar story outing a Philadelphia organizer for Moms of Liberty for his 2012 conviction of sexual abuse of a 14-year-old boy.

Just as predictable were the details dug up by local reporters for the Florida Trident that the alleged victim told police "that she and both Zieglers had been involved in a three-year consensual three-way sexual relationship." The report alleges she had been alone with Christian Ziegler, who is also the chair of the Florida GOP, the night of the alleged rape. Time and again, we have seen this story play out: The self-appointed guardians of everyone else's sexual morality often have rather exotic sex lives of their own. Just ask Jerry Falwell Jr.

But what is genuinely startling — downright shocking, even — is there are signs that these revelations could result in bona fide political consequences for the Zieglers. Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose support of Moms for Liberty played a huge role in the group's skyrocketing to national prominence, didn't mince words when asked about the allegations Thursday night. He called on Ziegler to resign, saying, "He’s innocent till proven guilty, but we just can’t have a party chair that is under that type of scrutiny."


The speed with which the Zieglers are being tossed overboard is fascinating because it wasn't that long ago that the couple were some of the biggest rising stars in the GOP, especially in Florida. DeSantis aligned himself so firmly with Moms for Liberty that they seemed all but an official part of his presidential campaign. He gave a keynote address at the Moms for Liberty conference in Philadelphia in July. He also did innumerable events highlighting the group's work in banning books in school, terrorizing teachers for being LGBTQ or allies, and intimidating educators out of teaching facts about history that conservatives would rather keep hidden. Bridget Ziegler played a strong hand in writing Florida's "don't say gay" law. DeSantis even appointed her to the tourism board he constructed to harass Disney for daring to speak out against his anti-LGBTQ agenda. .......................(more)


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Not only rape but bi-sexual activities as well................................. Lovie777 Dec 2023 #1
Typical... FalloutShelter Dec 2023 #2
But they always do Historic NY Dec 2023 #3
And now they're cancelled. FalloutShelter Dec 2023 #4
Conservatives are Goebbels scholars of Public Relations BOSSHOG Dec 2023 #33
Marking to read later. tanyev Dec 2023 #5
You can click the My Notes button; no need to make empty post; only you see Notes click . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #11
Where is "my notes"? Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #29
Top right of this thread page (with all the posts), Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #30
Ok...probably not rendering on an iPad then. Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #31
Could be, or perhaps the content is too large. Try zooming out, pinching the page, making content smaller Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #32
Try this until you resolve... magicarpet Dec 2023 #42
Thx but I'm not the one with the problem. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #45
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group. Biophilic Dec 2023 #6
The sad part is things like this are their undoing Major Nikon Dec 2023 #10
I won't be surprised if Ronnie and Casey.... rubbersole Dec 2023 #7
I really don't like how we're mixing up not-hetero relationships with non-consensual ones knightmaar Dec 2023 #8
Speak for yourself. It's both, not either or, and we can keep them organized Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #14
The case in Philly was clearly child molestation Geechie Dec 2023 #36
OK, thx. That was only 3 percent of words in OP. I missed that; separate case. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #39
It's the hypocrisy combined with their targeting of others people Dec 2023 #21
Could we add a few more issues to the list magicarpet Dec 2023 #43
Maybe books ruined their family values IronLionZion Dec 2023 #9
Well "Mom's for Menage" moniss Dec 2023 #12
I guess that Moms for Liberty really meant... llmart Dec 2023 #13
It means "Liberty for us authoritarian masters", none for Dems or PoC or "aliens" or the Other. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #40
Moms For Libertines DinahMoeHum Dec 2023 #15
Thanks for this. Kudos to Rick Wilson, once again. Hekate Dec 2023 #20
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2023 #27
marmar.......... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #16
When hate groups, such as the moms group are exposed to the light they usually turn out to be Deplorable LOSERS. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2023 #17
DeSantis' great line!!! Grins Dec 2023 #18
Fish rots from the head down Warpy Dec 2023 #19
So Salon calls this an "exotic" sex life . Permanut Dec 2023 #22
Crawl back under your rock "ladies." Or is it slither?? Evolve Dammit Dec 2023 #23
"Slither" definitely works. calimary Dec 2023 #24
The way I heard it DJ Porkchop Dec 2023 #25
Another hate group down. So typical, something going on in the background when RKP5637 Dec 2023 #26
Excellent all these christofascist types always seem to have skeletons in their closet kimbutgar Dec 2023 #28
Don't count the bad people out. chouchou Dec 2023 #34
Color me Schadenfreude swimboy Dec 2023 #35
Knock me over with a feather. Duncan Grant Dec 2023 #37
Thanks! swimboy Dec 2023 #44
"The self-appointed guardians of everyone else's sexual morality often have rather exotic sex lives of their own. Demovictory9 Dec 2023 #38
He's the real founder of Moms for Liberty---designed to publicize the Ziegler name in GOP circles. Timeflyer Dec 2023 #41
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