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T_i_B

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Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:56 AM Jun 2014

We anti-war protesters were right: the Iraq invasion has led to bloody chaos [View all]

Article that sums up my own views of the situation in Iraq very succinctly.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/12/anti-war-protesters-iraq-invasion-bloody-chaos

I have encountered no sense of vindication, no "I told you so", among veterans of the anti-war protest of 15 February 2003 in response to the events in Iraq. Despair, yes, but above all else, bitterness – that we were unable to stop one of the greatest calamities of modern times, that warnings which were dismissed as hyperbole now look like understatements, that countless lives (literally – no one counts them) have been lost, and will continue to be so for many years to come.

The catastrophic results of the Iraq invasion are often portrayed as having been impossible to predict, and only inevitable with the benefit of hindsight. If only to prevent future calamities from happening, this is a myth that needs to be dispelled. The very fact that the demonstration on that chilly February day in 2003 was the biggest Britain had ever seen, is testament to the fact that disaster seemed inevitable to so many people.

In a way, opponents of the war were wrong. We were wrong because however disastrous we thought the consequences of the Iraq war, the reality has been worse. The US massacres in Fallujah in the immediate aftermath of the war, which helped radicalise the Sunni population, culminating in an assault on the city with white phosphorus. The beheadings, the kidnappings and hostage videos, the car bombs, the IEDs, the Sunni and Shia insurgencies, the torture declared by the UN in 2006 to be worse than that under Saddam Hussein, the bodies with their hands and feet bound and dumped in rivers, the escalating sectarian slaughter, the millions of displaced civilians, and the hundreds of thousands who died: it has been one never-ending blur of horror since 2003.

The invasion was justified as an indispensable part of the struggle against al-Qaida. Well, to be fair, large swaths of Iraq have not been handed over to al-Qaida: they are now run by Isis, a group purged from al-Qaida for being too extreme. Iraq and Syria are trapped in a bloody feedback loop: the growth of Isis in Iraq helped corrupt the Syrian rebellion, and now the Syrian insurgency has fuelled the breakdown of Iraq, too. Those who believe that the west should have armed Syria's rebels should consider the fact that Isis reportedly raided an arms depot in Syria which was stocked with CIA help. Support from western-backed dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Qatar has fuelled the Syrian extremists now spilling over into Iraq.
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But we should let history decide bahrbearian Jun 2014 #1
I guess we won't know.... xocet Jun 2014 #31
'Bush to Raise Money for Group That Converts Jews to Bring About Second Coming of Christ' cprise Jun 2014 #38
Thanks for the link. The MJ article is very interesting. n/t xocet Jun 2014 #41
I think back to 2003... jimlup Jun 2014 #2
Short answer.... pocoloco Jun 2014 #4
They weren't just clueless, they were blinded by greed and their own screwball dogma Warpy Jun 2014 #32
I know what we should do about the mess over there now. calimary Jun 2014 #34
Yes! jimlup Jun 2014 #37
How many, would you like to bet RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #48
i like it barbtries Jun 2014 #50
I said then, and say now: ballyhoo Jun 2014 #3
Watch for It! yellowwoodII Jun 2014 #5
Yep. nt abelenkpe Jun 2014 #10
Hillary would have us back there in a heart beat. L0oniX Jun 2014 #15
It will be interesting to see what she says after her recent "still wrong" comment. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #40
I have a dreadful feeling we'll start hearing a lot of "the war was wrong but we broke it.." arcane1 Jun 2014 #43
Yep. There's always plenty of justification when the corporations can make a buck. -nt CrispyQ Jun 2014 #45
They're gnashing their teeth we didn't stay in Iraq, and are blaming Obama for what's happening now. Martin Eden Jun 2014 #28
W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, and David Rumsfeld ignored the history of the art of war TRoN33 Jun 2014 #6
Agreed. And let's consider what our $2 trillion war has done for the average Iraqi. sinkingfeeling Jun 2014 #7
well, i participated in demonstration(s) Leme Jun 2014 #8
Leme Diclotican Jun 2014 #11
Zero offense meant, in fact a true good for you and those who demonstrated Leme Jun 2014 #20
Leme Diclotican Jun 2014 #25
thinking about it, i may have participated in a protest of the 2nd Iraq war, just few showed up Leme Jun 2014 #22
Leme Diclotican Jun 2014 #29
the meek response from the Democrats convinced me the fix was in, not like I had major doubts anyway Leme Jun 2014 #33
Yep, and since there wasn't a draft, most Americans were cool with it. raccoon Jun 2014 #49
I went to 6 anti-Iraq war demos in 2002/3 T_i_B Jun 2014 #51
T_i_B Diclotican Jun 2014 #9
Rich people must get richer. That's THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD. valerief Jun 2014 #12
I don't remember Bill Clinton's exact words, but... Jerry442 Jun 2014 #13
It was all about war for profit The Wizard Jun 2014 #14
The Clown Prince says he has a clear conscience. Which is horseshit, of course. Aristus Jun 2014 #16
So when RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #17
No trials. Let's not bother. Let's have them go over there and fight! calimary Jun 2014 #35
We have been correct so many times... RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #47
Yeah, true. But a lot of people made money off MIC stocks. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #18
Yet another reason why ... DrBulldog Jun 2014 #19
K&R Paka Jun 2014 #21
We shall hope history puts the blame where blame is due... liberal N proud Jun 2014 #23
Depends on how hard you dig. Igel Jun 2014 #24
I marched in all the pre-war demonstrations from Afghanistan to Iraq lunatica Jun 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author lunatica Jun 2014 #27
I think it's a little more complicated than that and they do not necessarily have to be a underthematrix Jun 2014 #30
Heckuva job, Frat Boy Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #36
I too marched Girl powers Jun 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #42
Money Trumps Peace! nt stillwaiting Jun 2014 #44
Think Progress "Why The Middle East Is Now A Giant Warzone, In One Terrifying Chart" kristopher Jun 2014 #46
I wish my dad were alive JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #52
Same here. GreenPartyVoter Jun 2014 #53
Yes..we were. Thanks for the post. KoKo Jun 2014 #54
Very true and very sad. LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #55
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