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cynzke

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143. What Is Wrong?

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:02 PM

Dec 2014

The answer is the LAW. There is a loophole...escape clause if you may, in the law called "Defense of Life....."Officer-involved shootings happen extremely quickly. Usually, the point from where the officer believes he has to use deadly force to the point where he uses deadly force — where he pulls the trigger — is about two seconds." That can make it much harder for investigators to decide whether or not the officer was reasonable in thinking he had to shoot."

The flaw is that it doesn't matter what we think, the law take precedence and current law says what MATTERS is what the officer was thinking when he used lethal force. All a police officer has to say is....I feared for my life. In those seconds before they killed this young boy, the officers can claim they believed the weapon was real and they feared for their lives. We need to understand WHY this is happening....bad law give police a defense that helps them escape prosecution. Then they are either disciplined, fired and victims are left to file civil suits because they find no justice through the criminal court system.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder

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Pic Of The Moment: Cleveland Police Union Chief Offers Advice To 12-Year-Olds [View all] EarlG Dec 2014 OP

Jeffery, could you have tried to make it worse? You're the Union Chief? what is wrong with you irisblue Dec 2014 #1

NO Wonder the Justice Dept took over the Cleveland police force. sammy750 Dec 2014 #14

Let's hope azureblue Dec 2014 #81

No tragedy to the stormtroopers because.. workinclasszero Dec 2014 #28

Socio/psychopaths believe nothing is wrong with them, it is everyone else. They accept no blame. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #30

What Is Wrong? cynzke Dec 2014 #143

He forgot to add, "or we'll kill you because we can and because some of us like it mountain grammy Dec 2014 #2

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #3

Is there some kind of alien invasion... skypilot Dec 2014 #4

"An alien invasion?" Rozlee Dec 2014 #36

Steroids. I beleive it is the elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring. notadmblnd Dec 2014 #55

that is very interesting indeed. niyad Dec 2014 #96

He forgot to add: Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #5

you forgot "spoon" elehhhhna Dec 2014 #76

I hadn't heard of this until now. Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #112

Don't run, but also don't just stand there looking suspicious either. Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #130

He's full of shite.. no way was it "justified". killing an unarmed 12 year old. Some of the police Cha Dec 2014 #6

There is that word again, "justified", the same word that Pew Reseaech used in thier push poll Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #93

This guy must want to be a dictator. He's demanded the Browns be sinkingfeeling Dec 2014 #7

This is the authoritarian mindset in action... elzenmahn Dec 2014 #49

Authority turbinetree Dec 2014 #8

More like gangsters than vigilantes lolly Dec 2014 #84

Correct turbinetree Dec 2014 #138

Is he the KKK Police Union Chief ?? SamKnause Dec 2014 #9

when I watched that video this is what I thought pasto76 Dec 2014 #18

Thank you for your reply and input. SamKnause Dec 2014 #20

right heaven05 Dec 2014 #33

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #10

We had a police chief around these parts back in the 70s 80s and 90s, one Daryl Gates. Iggo Dec 2014 #11

I was just thinking about old daryl the other day. seems the police have been getting steadily niyad Dec 2014 #103

for those of you fortunate enough never to have heard of this authoritarian asshole: niyad Dec 2014 #104

Another jack-booted thug with a badge SHRED Dec 2014 #12

Basically Madmiddle Dec 2014 #13

this guy really doesn't seem too bright frylock Dec 2014 #15

Sick rat bastard sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #16

You know what asshole, sometimes cops dont give lawful orders pasto76 Dec 2014 #17

Cop fantasizes he's a SEAL azureblue Dec 2014 #19

Arrogant, Out of Control Assholes. SoapBox Dec 2014 #21

How about this: disarm the police! Initech Dec 2014 #22

Break up and outlaw (via constitutional amendment) unions Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #23

It has nothing to do with cops having a union. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #44

exactly right. the tough guy culture is the root issue pasto76 Dec 2014 #113

This is the face of an Authoritarian Corporate State . geretogo Dec 2014 #24

Stop pledging allegiance to it WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #65

IOW do what we tell you to do immediately and without question workinclasszero Dec 2014 #25

He's telling the truth. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2014 #61

2 seconds is all it took for a 12yo to be judged guilty and executed. blm Dec 2014 #26

Makes me really embarrassed to be . . FairWinds Dec 2014 #27

Makes me wonder how many of these cases have happened but never made the mainstream. Sick! C Moon Dec 2014 #29

The question that needs to be investigated is: Who owns and markets the "Shoot First" Training Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #31

my additional advice: heaven05 Dec 2014 #32

+1 Rex Dec 2014 #54

I knew I'd seen his picture before..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #34

Glad to see DU calling out Police Unions n/t 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #35

Skinheads are cops now. USA!USA!USA! GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #37

If it looks like and skinhead and acts like a skinhead, then it is so. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #41

This fascist kept calling the 12 year old MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #38

Turned my stomach Kencorburn Dec 2014 #57

He forgot the other important advice: have your kids magically be born white. The'll have FailureToCommunicate Dec 2014 #39

cops suck blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #40

Legendary SUPERCOP, James Simone, said the policeman acted properly. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #42

You've got to be kidding MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #50

It makes all the difference in the world ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #62

We KNOW a cop killed a 12 year old. bravenak Dec 2014 #67

Bad logic. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #86

Yes, you have bad logic. bravenak Dec 2014 #89

Explain. And use logic. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #100

Explain your bad logic? bravenak Dec 2014 #102

He never worked for another department. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #116

He was being paid. bravenak Dec 2014 #121

You have landed yourself on my IGNORE list. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #122

LOL! bravenak Dec 2014 #128

It's absolutely insane JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #134

It is absolutely breathtaking... bravenak Dec 2014 #145

"Left after the training period" - what HORSESHIT! He was DISMISSED bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #137

what do you mean bad logic MattBaggins Dec 2014 #124

You're creating a straw-man argument. MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #72

The cop followed the rules. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #87

Fuck no MattBaggins Dec 2014 #125

but what you are leaving out azureblue Dec 2014 #80

You are making things up. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #88

Its laughable that you keep bringing up this "supercop" MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #92

His camera backs up all his claims. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #98

None of this changes the central point MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #109

the guidelines say pull up 2 feet from the guy and shoot the fuck out of him? elehhhhna Dec 2014 #77

Well stated MattBaggins Dec 2014 #126

True that. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2014 #131

The policeman that shot the 12 year old kid was unfit for duty. Rex Dec 2014 #82

Gee, who confers the "Legendary Supercop" title? lolly Dec 2014 #85

this is the "supercop" to whom the poster refers: niyad Dec 2014 #107

who named this person a supercop? based on what criteria? how many people he killed? niyad Dec 2014 #105

they acted properly by driving within 8 feet of a person suspected of menacing w/ a firearm pasto76 Dec 2014 #115

thank you d_r Dec 2014 #117

What commands was Tamir GIVEN? Ken Burch Dec 2014 #43

He WAS given commands. The tape verifies it. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #47

Umm.. Kencorburn Dec 2014 #58

James Simone, Cleveland's "Supercop," verifies that procedure was followed. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #64

I watched the tape too. bravenak Dec 2014 #68

Your "supercop" is still human MirrorAshes Dec 2014 #74

Ignoring experts who have "walked the walk" is not a good thing. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #147

you know, it is almost scary how much your posts indicate that you worship this guy. niyad Dec 2014 #110

Fucking supercop my fucking ass MattBaggins Dec 2014 #127

Let's see...he's a supercop...and cops are lying assholes...so... Iggo Dec 2014 #144

The tape couldn't confirm that, because there was no audio on the tape. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #75

witness 40! welcome to du! elehhhhna Dec 2014 #146

His kids "know what to do"... JohnnyRingo Dec 2014 #45

Too soon ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #48

So I guess if his 12 year old Stellar Dec 2014 #46

I think we should take guns away from local law enforcement. closeupready Dec 2014 #51

You should volunteer YOUR neighborhood for an experimental study. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #66

How bout you volunteer yours? bravenak Dec 2014 #69

As long as law enforcement pretends they are perfect Rex Dec 2014 #52

its just d_r Dec 2014 #53

He's the best possible spokesman to highlight the fact that modern police in America are aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #56

+1 same thought here lunasun Dec 2014 #90

I'd jsut like to say Burf-_- Dec 2014 #59

Let's be honest, there are some DUers who say nearly the same thing. PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #60

Nazi filth. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #63

When did the military "skin-head look" come into vogue for policemen? livingonearth Dec 2014 #70

I try to be charitable -- I assume he's fighting a lice problem. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2014 #120

Is this now the new penal code. world wide wally Dec 2014 #71

2 Seconds... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #73

The Browns should pull exboyfil Dec 2014 #78

So, 12 year old kids have 2 seconds to think of the right way to kiss a cop's ass or Jamastiene Dec 2014 #79

So does super dumbfuck cop know that the killer was let go for being unfit for duty? Rex Dec 2014 #83

This man should resign for those comments...and to say his kids know what to do when they Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #91

Remember kids! If you want to play army - become a cop! Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #94

JEFF9K you are an . . FairWinds Dec 2014 #95

I'm citing a foremost authority on the use of deadly force ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #99

"You think that blind hatred of cops is part of the Democratic agenda?" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #123

what in the nine circles of hell is WRONG with you, you authoritarian asshole? niyad Dec 2014 #97

The first reports stated marym625 Dec 2014 #101

Tim Loehmann seemed to already have his gun unholstered and ready to fire coming out of the vehicle. HughBeaumont Dec 2014 #111

Oh he for sure had his gun drawn marym625 Dec 2014 #114

I can't believe there are people on here defending workinclasszero Dec 2014 #106

Supercop Simone. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #118

Mr. Jef . . FairWinds Dec 2014 #108

They did not give him first aid as he lay in agony after being gut shot... freshwest Dec 2014 #119

This turns my stomach.. yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #129

Police state meathead says something stupid? JackInGreen Dec 2014 #132

Face it, Kid TNNurse Dec 2014 #133

Why do most of them The Wizard Dec 2014 #135

Why do so many police apologists... malthaussen Dec 2014 #136

FREEZE!!!! You've got 2 seconds...BLAM BLAM BLAM! PatrickforO Dec 2014 #139

This union chief looks like a killer, most likely he would pull the trigger sammy750 Dec 2014 #140

Just another idjit. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #141

I YAM THE LAW AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #142