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MadrasT

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25. I agree there is some overreaction. However,
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:49 AM
May 2012
I think arguments like this, on the 'sexualization' of young girls, often go too far; they go over-the-top, because they over-react. They act as if images and videos of young women looking sexy are the same as pornographic images of young girls. Hyperbole from my side apart, that IS how I often perceive the over-reaction about 'sexualization'. The moral panic is often not warranted. Selena Gomez in a short dress or Vanessa Hudges in tight pants is not hardcore porn. Nor is it 'dehumanizing' them. Frankly, I find it much more dehumanizing to them when feminists say they ARE being dehumanized. Is it really true that making pictures of a pretty girl like Selena in a sexy pose devalues her? How is that even possible? She has value, right? We agree on that, don't we? She's an actress, she's a singer and an entertainer. She works hard for her money. I think that's deserving of respect. I don't get how that respect magically flies out the window the second she dresses up pretty and has her picture taken. I think it's disrespectful of OTHER women to tell these hard-working young girls that they devalue themselves/are being devalued.


The problem arises when young girls equate the idolization and success of these stars as being a direct result of their sexuality. And then attempting to emulate that sexuality as a path to social acceptance and success and wealth. Young girls are getting the message that their worth as humans is determined by their sexuality and their usefulness as sexual objects.

I was a young girl once, so I am speaking from experience not from feminist book theory.

Besides, why is the argument never made for the other side? I mean, for the male side. Young boys are also photographed and filmed in ways that show their physical attractiveness. Think about Robert Pattinson of 'Twilight'-fame, or Justin Bieber (grmbl!), or so many other examples past and present. I vividly remember my younger sister having her entire bedroom decorated with Backstreet Boys posters. There have been and still are lots of those boybands. Are they about musical qualities? About artistry? No, they are about a bunch of pretty boys who have to look appealing to get the young teen girl demographic to buy their albums. How come I never hear anybody about the supposed 'sexualization' of young men? What, it's only a problem when it's about girls/women? Is it "different", AGAIN, because men 'are privileged'/'have not been oppressed for centuries'/'the patriarchy' etc.? Or do we WANT to further the idea that young women everywhere are always victims of 'the male gaze'?


The argument should be made for the other side. It wasn't made for the other side here, because that is not the subject of the video. The lack of "the other side" being presented here does not negate the argument that is presented.

But I will give you an example, though it's not about a really young man. The trumpet player Chris Botti. There are other trumpet players who far surpass Botti in talent and technical skill and musicianship. Botti became a success based on his sex appeal. He's easy on the eyes, as they say. He looks great on TV and he looks great on an album cover. That's just as wrong.

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Good lord! cyberswede May 2012 #1
I remember that video WhoIsNumberNone May 2012 #2
Heartbreaking! LASlibinSC May 2012 #3
I agree it is heartbreaking. redqueen May 2012 #5
It does, and it has for a very long time. PDJane May 2012 #38
That's just grotesque! Speck Tater May 2012 #4
I suppose part of it is just capitalism. redqueen May 2012 #6
I just don't get it. Speck Tater May 2012 #9
Some really good points buried under a lot of moralistic and prudish conservatism... DutchLiberal May 2012 #7
Couldn't have possibly said it better myself. AverageJoe90 May 2012 #10
What?! Somebody actually read all 3 pages worth of arguments I wrote? DutchLiberal May 2012 #11
I did.. SemperEadem May 2012 #13
Wow, great points, but I should ask, would this be an accurate shorter statement? alp227 May 2012 #14
I think you miss the point .... DaDeacon May 2012 #18
Thanks, and you got it almost all right! DutchLiberal May 2012 #20
You think that's my position? Or you mean that's the position I'm criticizing? DutchLiberal May 2012 #19
The position you were criticizing. alp227 May 2012 #21
I agree there is some overreaction. However, MadrasT May 2012 #25
I don't disagree with the premise of the video entirely. DutchLiberal May 2012 #28
Capitalism and corporate LASlibinSC May 2012 #8
part of the problem SemperEadem May 2012 #15
IMO there is more to it than lazy parenting. redqueen May 2012 #16
I recall very vividly at age 11 going through it SemperEadem May 2012 #17
we do not have a tv Tumbulu May 2012 #27
If Fijians were cut off from television SemperEadem May 2012 #12
i think the video is pretty clear, and parents, especially with daughters can easily seabeyond May 2012 #22
"Fashion" magazines are the Worst Sarcasticus May 2012 #23
Perhaps that's how it started? redqueen May 2012 #24
No, some people are trying to ignore and reject biology because it doesn't fit their narrative. DutchLiberal May 2012 #29
Now I'm REALLY glad we don't watch TV. E-FUCKING-GADS! That's just so wrong. HopeHoops May 2012 #26
Yes, the dolls were particularly bad. DutchLiberal May 2012 #30
The "slut dance" contest at the beginning was rather disturbing too. HopeHoops May 2012 #31
The "slut dance" is problematic for more than one reason. DutchLiberal May 2012 #32
When guys do it, it's more of a "dork dance", but the video was "girls". As for "toning it down"... HopeHoops May 2012 #33
I couldn't agree more. DutchLiberal May 2012 #34
It's also the movements, looks, and attitudes. I'm not for FCC censorship, but parents? HopeHoops May 2012 #35
'Sex sells', but we've known that for a long time and honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it.. DutchLiberal May 2012 #36
Yeah, it is really stupid. But you hit another point - Gray Poupon? HopeHoops May 2012 #37
Kick Sarcasticus May 2012 #39
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