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DutchLiberal

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29. No, some people are trying to ignore and reject biology because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Tue May 8, 2012, 02:43 PM
May 2012

It's a reversal of facts; a deliberate attempt to block out any proven data that conflicts with a pre-determined ideology. The cognitive dissonance sometimes reminds me of conservatives, who also insist that teenagers never get interested in sex by themselves, but it's always something from 'outside' which gets morally bad ideas into their heads.

Decades ago, it was said that rock 'n' roll made otherwise good and wholesome boys and girls into sex-crazed teens. Elvis 'the Pelvis' was the source of evil, corrupting the clean minds of young people with filthy thoughts. Before Elvis, boys and girls in high school would never even have thought about sex! There is no sexual drive! People don't have the urge to procreate! We do not feel the need to preserve the species! We're not mammals!

Saying that pictures and videos of dressed up, good looking, sexy young girls are the reason why teen boys and grown men look at them and are attracted to them, is exactly the same as a conservative saying sexual education in school is the reason that teenagers start experimenting with sex. If you do not acknowledge the biological fact that girls develop mature sexual body features from age 12-13 up, start getting their first period, thus become ready for child-birth (again, strictly biologically speaking) and THEREFORE, as a consequence of this, start to get interesting to men of all ages... you are denying science. You are denying facts. No amount of ideologically injected claims of moral superiority will chance that.

Long before there was anything like mass media, older men have been with young(er) girls for thousands of years. If you think that's not due to biological or evolutionary causes, then what is the cause? There were no videoclips, photoshoots or 'Hannah Montana' in ancient Rome, Athens or Egypt. There was no Disney cartoons or teen singers during the Middle Ages or the Renaissance.

People have NOT "become convinced that teenagers acting like hypersexualized caricatures is somehow a natural behavior for them, and grown men's fixation on them somehow biologically predetermined." YOU and others have become convinced that biology is used as an "excuse" by men to lust after young(er) girls/women. The "excuse"-narrative fits your ideology about 'the patriarchy' always and everywhere oppressing all women. The less contrived theory, that of human nature, doesn't fit that and thus has to be made to look suspicious...

Girs like older men, because they are more fit to provide for her and her offsping. Men like younger girls, because they are healthier and more likely to produce strong offspring. Has been that way for millennia.

I wish it could be a bit less black and white than that. I have done it up-thread and so have some other people. There IS real 'hyper-sexualization' in some cases, as I have pointed out above. But that's no reason to lump everything shown in the video together and label it all 'degrading or dehumanizing', because it is not. And it's also no reason to simply ridicule and mock basic scientific facts. I don't get why it always has to be either-or.

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Good lord! cyberswede May 2012 #1
I remember that video WhoIsNumberNone May 2012 #2
Heartbreaking! LASlibinSC May 2012 #3
I agree it is heartbreaking. redqueen May 2012 #5
It does, and it has for a very long time. PDJane May 2012 #38
That's just grotesque! Speck Tater May 2012 #4
I suppose part of it is just capitalism. redqueen May 2012 #6
I just don't get it. Speck Tater May 2012 #9
Some really good points buried under a lot of moralistic and prudish conservatism... DutchLiberal May 2012 #7
Couldn't have possibly said it better myself. AverageJoe90 May 2012 #10
What?! Somebody actually read all 3 pages worth of arguments I wrote? DutchLiberal May 2012 #11
I did.. SemperEadem May 2012 #13
Wow, great points, but I should ask, would this be an accurate shorter statement? alp227 May 2012 #14
I think you miss the point .... DaDeacon May 2012 #18
Thanks, and you got it almost all right! DutchLiberal May 2012 #20
You think that's my position? Or you mean that's the position I'm criticizing? DutchLiberal May 2012 #19
The position you were criticizing. alp227 May 2012 #21
I agree there is some overreaction. However, MadrasT May 2012 #25
I don't disagree with the premise of the video entirely. DutchLiberal May 2012 #28
Capitalism and corporate LASlibinSC May 2012 #8
part of the problem SemperEadem May 2012 #15
IMO there is more to it than lazy parenting. redqueen May 2012 #16
I recall very vividly at age 11 going through it SemperEadem May 2012 #17
we do not have a tv Tumbulu May 2012 #27
If Fijians were cut off from television SemperEadem May 2012 #12
i think the video is pretty clear, and parents, especially with daughters can easily seabeyond May 2012 #22
"Fashion" magazines are the Worst Sarcasticus May 2012 #23
Perhaps that's how it started? redqueen May 2012 #24
No, some people are trying to ignore and reject biology because it doesn't fit their narrative. DutchLiberal May 2012 #29
Now I'm REALLY glad we don't watch TV. E-FUCKING-GADS! That's just so wrong. HopeHoops May 2012 #26
Yes, the dolls were particularly bad. DutchLiberal May 2012 #30
The "slut dance" contest at the beginning was rather disturbing too. HopeHoops May 2012 #31
The "slut dance" is problematic for more than one reason. DutchLiberal May 2012 #32
When guys do it, it's more of a "dork dance", but the video was "girls". As for "toning it down"... HopeHoops May 2012 #33
I couldn't agree more. DutchLiberal May 2012 #34
It's also the movements, looks, and attitudes. I'm not for FCC censorship, but parents? HopeHoops May 2012 #35
'Sex sells', but we've known that for a long time and honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it.. DutchLiberal May 2012 #36
Yeah, it is really stupid. But you hit another point - Gray Poupon? HopeHoops May 2012 #37
Kick Sarcasticus May 2012 #39
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