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hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
26. you should know better than that
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

that 3/5's human stuff is just nonsense, and any educated person should know it.

Then again, I probably did not know it myself until a few years ago. The 3/5 meme seems to fly around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

The purpose of the 3/5 clause was not to de-humanize the slaves. Slavery already did that anyway. The purpose was to reduce the political power of the slave owners, and slave states. Congressional representation was (and still is) divided proportionally to population. If the 694,207 slaves in 1790 were counted as full citizens, that would give the slave states, and by extension the slave owners that much more representation in both Congress and the electoral college.

Really they should not have been counted AT ALL, but the slaves states would not join the union under those terms, so 3/5ths was a compromise. Instead of 694,207 in 1790, they counted as 416,000 or so. Which still gave the slave owners more extra representation than the entire state of Pennsylvania (for example).

I do not believe that women were ever considered subhuman either. Granted I am not quite old enough to have lived before 1920 (close, but not quite) but it seems likely to me that even in those dark ages that many, and probably most, men loved their wives and most children loved their mothers.

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That philosophy, imo fredamae Aug 2015 #1
Go ahead and commit suicide when corporations want to END you for ending corporate personhood... cascadiance Aug 2015 #2
Do they also want to send Blacks back to Africa? olegramps Aug 2015 #13
Yes, but it will get to the point where our society will grind to a halt. alfredo Aug 2015 #43
I want to hear Ted Cruz on this one jberryhill Aug 2015 #3
Wait, isn't he a Canadian? n/t RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #4
Born in Canada ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #5
I believe only his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #6
The Internet says you're right. ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #8
So was Obama's mother. staggerleem Aug 2015 #11
Yep. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #12
Chunk synonyms underpants Aug 2015 #7
So...wouldn't their move disqualify 99% of us d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #9
I think the GOP gist is that even if you are born in this country, you are truly only a US citizen 4lbs Aug 2015 #15
I happen to agree with them hfojvt Aug 2015 #23
Ahhhhh...So this is another racist dog whistle d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #24
Back in the official U.S. slavery days, black men were only 3/5ths human. valerief Aug 2015 #10
you should know better than that hfojvt Aug 2015 #26
I suggest that these people read about a certain Supreme Court case, Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2015 #14
If this becomes law, god forbid, you might as well tear up the whole Constitution Cleita Aug 2015 #17
(they've already called it "a G--- d----- piece of paper.") lastlib Aug 2015 #21
explain that to me hfojvt Aug 2015 #28
It should be important to you if you are born American. Cleita Aug 2015 #29
I wasn't JUST born American hfojvt Aug 2015 #32
I get it they aren't white enough. Cleita Aug 2015 #33
What does white have to do with it? hfojvt Aug 2015 #35
I see your point, for example Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #38
The point is, if you're born here, you're a citizen, as it should be. Borchkins Aug 2015 #39
that's not much of an argument hfojvt Aug 2015 #41
There's a difference. Borchkins Aug 2015 #50
Didn't Hitler end citizenship for German Jews when he took power? Cleita Aug 2015 #16
"Repeal the Fourteenth Amendment!" struggle4progress Aug 2015 #18
Shorter GOP: Abolish citizenship for all non-Ayrans Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2015 #19
The BASE wants to see a roundup of ALL brown people..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #20
Ah yes...Reminds me of Malvina Reynolds' song...: classof56 Aug 2015 #36
Or 'The Monkeys' "Pleasant Valley Sunday".... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #37
end birthright citizenship for republicans captainarizona Aug 2015 #22
Which would require them to write a clause saying non birthright citizens can become president. Initech Aug 2015 #25
what do they want instead, the paper bag test? yurbud Aug 2015 #27
So much for "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." I guess MADem Aug 2015 #30
humbug, they sure hate this country allan01 Aug 2015 #31
I weep for my country. malthaussen Aug 2015 #34
I would expect nothing less of idjit asshats. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #40
"Who you callin' an idjit asshat, ya dad-gummed flea-bitten lib'ral varmint?" rocktivity Aug 2015 #47
ROFLMAO. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #48
If they're talking about repealing the whole amendment and not just 'birthright citizenship" dflprincess Aug 2015 #42
Original Intent of the 14th Amendment MemphisTigerFan89 Aug 2015 #44
That may be what Senator Jacob Howard WANTED the 14th amendment to mean rocktivity Aug 2015 #45
Because I want to take advice from a site that cites Ann Coulter? mythology Aug 2015 #46
Trump is a Trojan Horse in the Republic campaign randr Aug 2015 #49
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