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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
27. Well Bernie was correctly focusing on the big money in politics
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:54 AM
Aug 2015

and its corrupting influence, which is damn near total influence, which is why none of our representatives put any energy into the real reforms that would solve our problems to the benefit of our non-incorporated persons.

But your point is also extremely important, obviously, and thanks for taking the time to make it. It's pretty unbelievable our votes are cast and counted by far-rightwing corporations using proprietary and mostly unverifiable methodology.

I would think somebody would do something about it, isn't it generally up to the secretary of elections in each state, which is an elected position accountable to the people? There has been some progress in this area, in California for one, but not nearly enough, it seems that if the lie is big enough (computer voting and tabulation fraud) no-one is willing to take it seriously?

The studies I've read about how a percentage of the returns often tilts to the right more than would be expected are pretty damning. IIRC they usually use exit polls to make this determination, so of course the exit polls are attacked as unreliable. They were always considered extremely reliable in the past. I'm with you, this is a real problem and we are all just being distracted by the squirrel on Trump's head, or whatever the story of the day is, while the fix is in. I assume they only fix things if necessary, they prefer to manipulate opinion through media control and through ad buys paid for by the corporations whose interests are being served, but if the voters don't cooperate and vote for acceptable candidates, the election returns cannot be trusted, and there are a lot of real-world examples and studies to back that up. Huge problem.

Obama's choice for Secretary of Defense was an interesting one. From Hagel's wikipedia page:

in 1992 Hagel moved back to Nebraska to become president of the McCarthy Group, LLC, an investment banking firm.[28] He also served as a Chairman and was CEO of American Information Systems Inc. (AIS), later known as Election Systems & Software, a computerized voting machine manufacturer jointly owned by McCarthy Group, LLC and the Omaha World-Herald company.


Eh? A Republican Senator who was the former CEO of one of the largest computerized voting machine manufacturers was chosen by Obama to be his Secretary of Defense. I was thinking Hagel was being positioned to be POTUS after Obama. I don't know exactly what went bad for Hagel, he is clearly out of favor now, it was something I was keeping my eye on though.

Also there is this story, which I have not taken the time yet to delve into (too much going on trying to get my life in order right now) but it looks interesting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016130139
A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud, and Kansas is trying to silence her

Could somebody like Sanders get elected using today's election apparatus? I don't know. At this point he is still well behind Hillary. If he catches up to her before election day I don't know how much confidence I'd have in a fair result, or if he gets to the general election I sure don't know how much I'd trust it. Corporations have their interests, and they will do what they can to advance them.

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That was....incredible....talking about the corrupt political system created by Citizens United. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
The kid was trying to get Bernie to call his opponents "corrupt". Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #4
That was not a kid, that was journalist Mark Halperin, I stand to be corrected. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
Sorry, I couldn't see him, but he sounded like a cub reporter Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #6
It was Mark Halprin, who's on the same level as a cub reporter Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #7
It's to Bernie Sanders' immense credit that he didn't allow himself to fall into Halperin's trap n/t markpkessinger Aug 2015 #9
That is what I like about Bernie. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #19
Yup he wanted some Hillary bashing mucifer Aug 2015 #29
Sanders is a good man that won't get down in the mud Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #30
A delight to watch. Bernie handles questions with aplomb. As always. n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #2
What class and self-discipline! DrBulldog Aug 2015 #3
Halperin might be a moron. but he's an extremely influential moron. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #12
And personality - he's got it all. fbc Aug 2015 #13
Mr. President NowSam Aug 2015 #8
It is Kind of Painful to Watch DonaldChump Aug 2015 #10
Bernie did not "insist that individuals are not corrupt...". We can all hear the video, new poser! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #11
That is what I personally got from the video. DonaldChump Aug 2015 #15
Why don't you the answer the question GP6971 Aug 2015 #16
What's even more obvious is that you are 'evasive' about this. immoderate Aug 2015 #23
You can see it however you want. DonaldChump Aug 2015 #24
Thanks for the tip. immoderate Aug 2015 #25
The best example of corruption is the voting machine companies Stevepol Aug 2015 #22
Well Bernie was correctly focusing on the big money in politics dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #27
This is why he will win. nt silvershadow Aug 2015 #14
I truly believe that… because it is happening now... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #17
Yes. The train has left the station. nt silvershadow Aug 2015 #20
MONSTER IMITATION!!!!! dirtydickcheney Aug 2015 #18
I just love this guy. SmittynMo Aug 2015 #21
And....the MSM says Bernie is "Humorless"... KoKo Aug 2015 #26
+1, and thanks for the post Koko - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #28
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