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marcopolo63

(96 posts)
14. Apples to Oranges
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie is running as a Democrat! Nader never did. Bernie is winning primaries and hundreds of delegates. Nader never did. Bernie is now polling ahead of Clinton in national polls, and overwhelmingly beating all Republican candidates in head to head polls, while Clinton is not. Nader never out-polled Gore, let alone the Republican candidates.

So while some of the faces supporting Nader may be the same, and while Nader's message is very similar to Bernie's - there are key differences between the Nader v. Gore and Sanders v. Clinton races. First off - Nader never challenged the Democrats in the primaries. Bernie chose to run as a Democrat and is bringing new people to the party. Nader didn't and Clinton isn't! Bernie is raising millions through small, individual donations - while Nader was operating on a shoe-string budget and as stated in the video was funding future rallies from previous rally proceeds. Nader was holding rallies to create momentum, while Bernie's electoral momentum is creating more popularity and generating huge rallies of enormous size! The Sander's primary rally in NYC's Washington Square last week (27,000+ attendees) drew more people than Barack Obama's general election rally in September 2008 at the same location (20,000 attending)! Sander's is no Nader, and he is outpacing the popularity of the master campaigner himself - President Obama! Clinton's popularity and rally attendance just don't compare! Al Gore was able to draw large crowds in 2000, but Hillary just isn't capable of generating the modern campaign enthusiasm that I believe is critical to winning general elections! As the ultimate party insider, she is able to win primary and caucus votes - but over the long haul come November 2016, I have serious doubts that Hillary has what it takes to win it all!

Bernie truly has and is running a legitimate Democratic campaign, with broad-based support. Nader netted just under 3 million votes nationwide in the 2000 election. So far in the 2016 primary cycle Bernie has already received well over 3 million votes, and the NY, PA, CA and 17 other primaries have yet to occur. Granted Hillary has received more primary votes than Bernie, but to say Bernie is a Nader retread is flat-out WRONG! Bernie is positioned to eclipse Obama's electoral success. I'm not saying that if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination she loses the general election. But if Hillary is the Democratic nominee - the 2016 general election will be a lot closer in the final results than if Bernie is the candidate. I think Bernie will win the 2016 general by no less than 5%!! But with Hillary as the nominee - if nothing adverse comes out of the Panama Papers and she is able to withstand the barrage of negative ads that is sure to come - she wins it only by the slimmest of margins. Big ifs all around! I am sticking with the sure win - Bernie 2016!! But first we need to make sure HE wins the Democratic nomination!!

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Deep mining into bullshit mountain as usual. blackspade Apr 2016 #1
This video footage is GOLD! K&R Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #2
HRC and her supporters... zentrum Apr 2016 #5
The attacks came in the form of being called unqualified liberal N proud Apr 2016 #26
Telling the truth is not attacking... Helen Borg Apr 2016 #20
What will it prove to them? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #30
Shhhh they're on a roll...facts only get in the way MidwestTech Apr 2016 #31
I'm a loyal Democrat. The only time I would vote for anyone other then a Democrat is liberalnarb Apr 2016 #34
Also he hasn't made a career out of bashing the Democratic party itself MidwestTech Apr 2016 #44
i dont care. retrowire Apr 2016 #3
"There's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Apr 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #6
No, you can keep the indie party. Hillary is right for Democrats! leftofcool Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #11
Yes, Hillary is a Right Democrat RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #21
"Democrat Party"? TransitJohn Apr 2016 #25
+1 liberalnarb Apr 2016 #28
The Democrat Party? Ha! liberalnarb Apr 2016 #27
Amen! nt dorkzilla Apr 2016 #32
Clinton needs to Madmiddle Apr 2016 #7
If Al Gore would have "dropped out" Bush never would have made it to the White House. gordyfl Apr 2016 #10
Nader ran as an Independent Sanders is running as a Democrat azurnoir Apr 2016 #9
how did I miss you? Bye. thereismore Apr 2016 #12
test stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #36
The BS campaign consultants have obviously studied this document closely. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #13
You're right. Screw the fact that Bernie is running as a Democrat. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #19
Apples to Oranges marcopolo63 Apr 2016 #14
^This ^ Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #39
Thanks for the video, it is really good. I had not seen it. Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #15
The point of the OP was to bash Nader and Bernie. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #18
Hmmm... Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #22
Campaign Finance Hasn't Changed Much Since 2000. gordyfl Apr 2016 #16
Is this supposed to be a spoof on Bernie's marches? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #17
The implication should be obvious, the left aren't true Democrats! Umbral18 Apr 2016 #23
Yet another stinking pile RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #24
Perhaps this video was meant to show Bernie supporters Thespian2 Apr 2016 #29
A swing and a miss!!! dorkzilla Apr 2016 #33
One of the many problems with Nader was it was obvious he was a GoP tool MidwestTech Apr 2016 #35
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #37
The 20th century is over. Quit whining like it's 1999! eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #38
with the Democratic Party polling at 30% of the voters lore Apr 2016 #40
He's had such success in doing that single handedly hasn't he? Loki Apr 2016 #42
.... d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #41
Every one of those people in that video are guilty for the Iraq War, Citizens United, Alito, Roberts Renew Deal Apr 2016 #43
the poster has a point and it's a good reminder but gore won and certainot Apr 2016 #45
They wanted scorched earth. onehandle Apr 2016 #47
Every single person had the RIGHT to vote for who they wanted zalinda Apr 2016 #46
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