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Codifer

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10. But then so were

Thu Jun 1, 2023, 01:37 PM

Jun 2023

Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant and Paul Newman... (although to a lesser degree than Marion Morrison).

It might just be that I have much more respect for these three than I do Marion, but I think they did it better and it seemed more natural when they played themselves. They were not doomed to play phony assholes.

Marion was doomed to play the "big dick energy" badass bar brawler war hero (in EVERY service from SeaBee to Flying Tiger).

So sick of that crap character being foisted on the young as an ideal.... (buy a gun, be a freakiong Hero).

Sorry... bad mood this morning. Watched the news.

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Who is/was the most overrated actor or actress to you? John Wayne played John Wayne in every single [View all] debm55 Jun 2023 OP

James Stewart. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2023 #1

Me too about Wayne, but Stewart showed more of a range then Wayne ever did. debm55 Jun 2023 #2

Me three Diamond_Dog Jun 2023 #5

... Major Nikon Jun 2023 #60

OMG debm55 Jun 2023 #61

Perhaps not the best casting decision ever made Major Nikon Jun 2023 #64

And I bet he still acted like a cowboy. Did you ever see the movie??? debm55 Jun 2023 #66

Was it the Seven Samauri? debm55 Jun 2023 #72

"The Conqueror", 1956. Harker Jun 2023 #88

that's funny debm55 Jun 2023 #91

Agreed on john Wayne. But Jimmy Stewart? Really? unblock Jun 2023 #11

Hitchcock got a great performance out of him, in "Vertigo." (nt) Paladin Jun 2023 #19

Didn't AH want Cary Grant for Vertigo but he wasn't available? 'Think I heard that. Peregrine Took Jun 2023 #40

2 other movies that I think were well done are... 3catwoman3 Jun 2023 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Jun 2023 #70

I was talking about Jimmy Stewart movies. 3catwoman3 Jun 2023 #74

Sorry, I will remove my post. debm55 Jun 2023 #76

That's a slight exaggeration, but in substance I agree. malthaussen Jun 2023 #3

According to Robert Pirsig's book "Lila: An Inquiry Into Morals", the stoic cowboy character came Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #12

Or El Dorado... ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #67

All of his movies are essentially the same. debm55 Jun 2023 #79

I'm no fan of Wayne's politics or acting. Paladin Jun 2023 #83

Roger Moore Cartoonist Jun 2023 #4

He's widely recognized as lousy. So not really "overrated" unblock Jun 2023 #6

There is a difference in between type and brand. SalamanderSleeps Jun 2023 #7

John Wayne for me, too. Aristus Jun 2023 #8

Most of them, especially all the really big names bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #9

But then so were Codifer Jun 2023 #10

I would also have to add Tom Cruise. To me, in any film, he is Tom Cruise. Last movie I saw of his debm55 Jun 2023 #13

Agree on Cruise. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #25

Hope you are feeling better.At first, I didn't know who Marion Morrison was --then it hit me-John debm55 Jun 2023 #18

I miss Paul Newman. SalamanderSleeps Jun 2023 #33

Kevin Costner unblock Jun 2023 #14

I agree with you on him. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #27

I think he was perfect in Dances With Wolves. I haven't see him in any other film though. debm55 Jun 2023 #39

I would like to have seen Chris Cooper in the role. Aristus Jun 2023 #98

Nicholas cage unblock Jun 2023 #15

Nicholas Cage has been making some really shitty movies. I think that they go directly to Netflix debm55 Jun 2023 #21

He's bad with his money TexasBushwhacker Jun 2023 #47

And his recent movies are terrible. I feel his best days are way behind him. JMO debm55 Jun 2023 #50

Not a big Hollywood fan. But I'd also go with the Duke stopdiggin Jun 2023 #16

Even in The Quiet Man---he was still John Wayne. The movie was about a boxer, who flees to Ireland. debm55 Jun 2023 #34

Jim Carrey. rsdsharp Jun 2023 #17

rsdsharp ............. Upthevibe Jun 2023 #71

I've seen Truman. I thought it was alright. rsdsharp Jun 2023 #78

John Wayne is an automatic No in my book... brush Jun 2023 #20

Ronald F.* Reagan lastlib Jun 2023 #22

He was a shitty governor and president because shitty acting. pandr32 Jun 2023 #28

however, he was pretty good The Killers CatWoman Jun 2023 #58

He was never an A-list actor Major Nikon Jun 2023 #63

Personally, I always thought of him as a shit-list actor........ lastlib Jun 2023 #68

How can you say that? He got top billing as California Governor and POTUS. hunter Jun 2023 #96

He was the ideal GOP candidate Major Nikon Jun 2023 #102

The actor is the face of the writer, line producers, executive producers, film editors, costume des. Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #23

Jeff Goldblum iwillalwayswonderwhy Jun 2023 #24

Adam Sandler is Gawd Awful Botany Jun 2023 #26

Can't stand Carey. Or Adam Sandler. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #30

Agreed Effete Snob Jun 2023 #36

I agree. debm55 Jun 2023 #92

Can't stand Sandler also, WoodyHarrelson. It always feels like he's acting. Peregrine Took Jun 2023 #41

I liked Woody in Cheers, don't like him in his movies--comes across as weird debm55 Jun 2023 #48

What I used to laugh at moniss Jun 2023 #29

For me any character that is the "never say you're sorry" type. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #31

Good point about that era. All the actors were stage actors unblock Jun 2023 #44

Very true. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #45

Clint Eastwood. Always brooding, man of few words Fla Dem Jun 2023 #32

Bill Murray - always plays the same sarcastic role over and over. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2023 #35

Will Ferrell Effete Snob Jun 2023 #37

David Caruso - acts the same every time beveeheart Jun 2023 #38

+1 progressoid Jun 2023 #43

Exactly! lol beveeheart Jun 2023 #49

Let me sneak in a great acting performance...Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now. Peregrine Took Jun 2023 #42

Martin Sheen in Anything! Best in the Business yellowdogintexas Jun 2023 #56

Brando TlalocW Jun 2023 #46

his early work - Streetcar Named Desire, for example yellowdogintexas Jun 2023 #57

Brando early work was great. Last Tango in Paris had an unscripted scene in it. Brando and the debm55 Jun 2023 #97

Brando played a Japanese man in "Teahouse of the August Moon" bedazzled Jun 2023 #99

I thought he was great in On the Waterfront debm55 Jun 2023 #101

Wayne gave an excellent performance in his very last film, *The Shootist*... First Speaker Jun 2023 #51

I thought True Grit was his last film? debm55 Jun 2023 #54

No. True Grit came out in 1969... First Speaker Jun 2023 #65

I always thought that John Wayne was a caricature of a standard issue bully. Chainfire Jun 2023 #52

You mean tRUMP??? debm55 Jun 2023 #53

Russell Crowe, wonderful and sexy in his early films. Is he still making films? debm55 Jun 2023 #55

My Overrated List. Niagara Jun 2023 #59

Great debm55 Jun 2023 #62

I agree that Bruce Willis usually portrayed his "Bruno" character, Doc_Technical Jun 2023 #81

Agree with you on Keanu Mad_Dem_X Jun 2023 #90

Also agree with Keanu debm55 Jun 2023 #95

debm55 ................... Upthevibe Jun 2023 #73

John Wayne and Tom Cruise. I was watching Top Gun 2. I like the flight scenes and Kenny Loggins song debm55 Jun 2023 #75

Meg Ryan know only for the scene in the restaurant with Billy Crystal and numerous face changes.At debm55 Jun 2023 #77

Fuck John Wayne jcgoldie Jun 2023 #80

I'm saying Dustin Hoffman......only pause is when he played a woman, Tootsie. a kennedy Jun 2023 #82

What about his part in RainMan? debm55 Jun 2023 #86

Ok, that's two he's not Dustin......😅 a kennedy Jun 2023 #87

Diane Keaton avebury Jun 2023 #84

You're right! Mad_Dem_X Jun 2023 #89

Always the ditsy character. debm55 Jun 2023 #93

Meryl Streep Emile Jun 2023 #85

Brad Pitt-good looking, but always Brad Pitt, debm55 Jun 2023 #94

Shut up......ok, sorry for saying shit up.....but I love Brad....and I know you're right, just a kennedy Jun 2023 #103

That's okay, good looking man, but always Brad Pitt. debm55 Jun 2023 #104

Audrey Hepburn. Nothing but a clothes hanger bedazzled Jun 2023 #100

I never said I liked Will Smith or Liz Taylor. I think that was another poster. debm55 Jun 2023 #107

But a clothes hanger with beautiful eyes. malthaussen Jun 2023 #113

Wow! No one nominated Charlton Heston? scarletlib Jun 2023 #105

I thought he stunk in Ben Hur and he won an Oscar for it. debm55 Jun 2023 #106

Here is a fun fact about Ben Hur scarletlib Jun 2023 #108

Thank you debm55 Jun 2023 #109

Samuel Jackson blueknight73 Jun 2023 #110

I have only seen him on commercials, not movies. Started to watch Pulp Fiction but it was too debm55 Jun 2023 #111

Richard Dreyfuss. Same guy, no matter what the movie is. (nt) Paladin Jun 2023 #112

I had a friend who would say Kate Hepburn. malthaussen Jun 2023 #114