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mnhtnbb

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27. From the NTSB report, the pilot did not have a lot of hours and no instrument rating
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

ran into weather--needed the instruments--was flying VFR and ran out of luck. Plus, it's possible
she wasn't allowing for the downdraft you get over mountains.

I remember flying one time in the early 70's down to Cabo from Santa Monica--before it became a scene--with my boyfriend (who later
became my first husband) and his roommate--the pilot--and his girlfriend. When we were going to land at Cabo
he couldn't find the airport. I literally spotted it from the back seat and he laughed it off due to having his map
folded wrong in his lap. Right.

On the way back, we landed at Calexico for fuel, and I almost called my father to ask him to drive to Mexico to pick
me up since my parents lived just north of San Diego. I couldn't bring myself to do it (I was just 21) and when the pilot took off,
we had to talk him into gaining more altitude than he had planned in order to get over the mountains as you are
crossing to the US. Well, thank goodness he listened to us because we hit a downdraft and from my back seat
I watched his altimeter drop 900 feet before he could respond. And he had wanted to plan 500 feet clearance to
get over the mountains.

We did all get back in one piece. I was telling the story not long afterwards to my tennis instructor--who was a Navy pilot in WW II--and he told
me "don't ever get back in a plane with that guy until he has 1,000 hours on his log book." Why? Because given the errors
he had made during our trip, it was dubious whether he'd ever get to 1,000 hours. And we never had to deal with weather on that trip.

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Google NTSB LAX77FA024 The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #1
... Kali Dec 2016 #2
Weird, that should have worked - but it looks like somebody posted it downthread. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #6
got it, thanks Kali Dec 2016 #16
AviationDB has a listing csziggy Dec 2016 #3
that has something! Kali Dec 2016 #5
got an ancestry.com list for them Kali Dec 2016 #8
Yes - I was just doing some more looking there csziggy Dec 2016 #12
Here's the NTSB report mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #4
thanks! Kali Dec 2016 #7
VFR pilot flying in IFR conditions. Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #18
The NTSB report basically says the pilot--who was not instrument rated--got into mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #9
thanks for the explanation, I didn't get all of it when I was looking. Kali Dec 2016 #15
From Ancestry csziggy Dec 2016 #10
I'm not a member and it kind of looks like the records aren't even for them Kali Dec 2016 #14
Strange that they have the location of death incorrect. Not TX, but AZ. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #17
If it's from Social Security records that is the last place of residence not where they died csziggy Dec 2016 #20
interesting. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #21
Here is what the SS records list csziggy Dec 2016 #22
that makes more sense than what I had thought Kali Dec 2016 #25
It can be very confusing csziggy Dec 2016 #26
I saw that too and wondered if maybe Kali Dec 2016 #24
That's creepy hibbing Dec 2016 #11
it is rugged and remote Kali Dec 2016 #13
I too am surprised it's still up there. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #19
they may have hauled the front end off, though the kid said there was more debris up high Kali Dec 2016 #23
From the NTSB report, the pilot did not have a lot of hours and no instrument rating mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #27
ok DU detectives Arizona Plane Crash 1970s kryan011 May 2020 #28
Hello! Kali May 2020 #29
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