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PoindexterOglethorpe

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35. This thread is exactly why it's not remotely feasible to
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 12:03 AM
Jun 2017

try to go to spelling English phonetically.

Even those here who pronounce pin and pen exactly the same, will recognize the difference in writing. Or the marry, merry, Mary example. There are lots of other such examples, where the spelling preserves the original differences in pronunciation, which are sometimes preserved in certain populations.

English is a very peculiar language, and some of our spellings preserve the language of origin, some of them preserve an older pronunciation, and some help preserve an older meaning. Okay, some some of our spellings could be simplified, but if we attempted to go to a purely phonetic system, something an Aussie would write would be totally incomprehensible to someone from the Deep South, just for one example.

I used to think that things like TV and movies were eliding differences in pronunciation of our language, and I've realized recently that that's not very true. Certain extreme accents seem to have been lost, but other differences have not only become entrenched but seem to have deepened.

The nature of language is continual change. Modern technology has slowed it down somewhat, but not completely.

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Pinnsylvania? Iggo May 2017 #1
my mother insists that mary, marry, and merry all sound different. unblock May 2017 #2
Marry sounds different. The other two are the same. brush May 2017 #27
We'll all be making merry when I marry Mary Mack. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #32
Delightful to be sure. 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #37
I absolutely love it. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #40
Homonym HopeAgain May 2017 #3
doesn't apply to pin and pen Phentex May 2017 #6
Not homonyms. zanana1 Jun 2017 #65
Same here - totally different. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #66
That's what I was saying... Phentex Jun 2017 #67
yes, regional differences demigoddess Jun 2017 #84
Some people in the south think set and sit sound the same... Phentex Jun 2017 #85
Homophones. eppur_se_muova Jun 2017 #73
exactly Phentex Jun 2017 #86
Nope. Homonyms. nt zanana1 Jun 2017 #88
The definitions I posted (courtesy of Google) say "both". nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2017 #90
It depends on your dialect. raging moderate May 2017 #4
Right, like there's a difference between Mme. Defarge May 2017 #5
You're from Western PA, Aren't You? Leith May 2017 #24
Portland, OR Mme. Defarge May 2017 #25
Never Mind Leith May 2017 #30
I have a friend who's from western PA. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #33
I grew up out west, and pen and pin are pronounced differently Drahthaardogs Jun 2017 #72
I pronounce "caught" and "cot" the same. Dulcinea Jun 2017 #92
Larry the Cable Guy had a bit on this citood May 2017 #7
Classy zanana1 Jun 2017 #89
That's why there are inkpens C_U_L8R May 2017 #8
Pronouncing "winch" and "wench" the same can get you in trouble. alarimer May 2017 #9
You just brought back a small Army memory... jmowreader May 2017 #28
Important point. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #34
And then some say wrinch when they mean wrench. Take a wrinch to that wench I say. yellowcanine Jun 2017 #76
Some people think "bury" and "berry" are pronounced differently. yellowcanine Jun 2017 #77
I picked some blueburries down by the crik. yellowcanine Jun 2017 #78
Pronounciation can be dangerous-- I once saw a guy almost get his ass kicked in a diner... TreasonousBastard May 2017 #10
In this case, "lazily" was probably correct, Spanish-wise! WinkyDink May 2017 #21
What dialect zipplewrath May 2017 #11
No difference Tiggeroshii May 2017 #12
What do you think of "cot" and "caught"? GBizzle May 2017 #13
Me too. Caught to me is said "cawt." Nt raccoon May 2017 #16
All the supposed homonyms mentioned in this thread sound different when I say them. Ron Obvious May 2017 #14
Totally different pronunciation. sinkingfeeling May 2017 #15
Yep, as alike as "covfefe" and "santorum" JustABozoOnThisBus May 2017 #17
Lol...pretty sure I interpreted that much dirtier than you intended.... Docreed2003 May 2017 #26
Both terms are wide open to interpretation. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #45
It was the sounds alike part that got me...lol Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #47
The educated say "get", in Texas we say "git." LanternWaste May 2017 #18
Never mind ruining the Iambic Pentameter. ;-) WinkyDink May 2017 #22
my first week in Texas Skittles May 2017 #19
you found one that could write? bluecollar2 Jun 2017 #55
now now Skittles Jun 2017 #56
I know... bluecollar2 Jun 2017 #57
I do hear you Skittles Jun 2017 #60
Abbott bluecollar2 Jun 2017 #61
"Pin" is not pronounced as the writing utensil "pen." Not correctly, anyway. WinkyDink May 2017 #20
I don't hear a difference. Explain pls. brush May 2017 #31
Do you go... 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #36
Sorry, still don't hear a difference. brush Jun 2017 #42
Me either. nt raccoon Jun 2017 #48
Ben went to the store. He found a good deal in the thrift shop bargain bin. MiltonBrown Jun 2017 #58
Must be genetic. nt raccoon Jun 2017 #62
Were you a terrible spiller in school? Did your teacher throw your book out the wendow? Phentex Jun 2017 #68
No, I never spilled anything. Lol nt raccoon Jun 2017 #69
Some math for you, Doc_Technical May 2017 #23
Um not around hear, I mean here........:) lunasun May 2017 #29
This thread is exactly why it's not remotely feasible to PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #35
I always thought it was odd when my grandmother would call Washington Warshington Doreen Jun 2017 #38
Ahhh. Again I first heard that pronunciation PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #39
oh I saw an episode on Matlock about that lol Was she from Arkansas? luvMIdog Jun 2017 #52
Pronounced correctly they are different rainy Jun 2017 #41
Still don't hear a difference. It's in the mind of the speaker I guess. brush Jun 2017 #43
try saying in then etch rainy Jun 2017 #44
Nah, any difference is in the mind of the speaker brush Jun 2017 #46
Wait; you seriously don't hear the difference Codeine Jun 2017 #50
OK -- how about flower and flour? NCjack Jun 2017 #53
living in ohio skippercollector Jun 2017 #49
Don Dawn- Con Yawn MiltonBrown Jun 2017 #59
What is your point? guillaumeb Jun 2017 #51
i make pin a little more nasaly.(is that a word?) samnsara Jun 2017 #54
"...I can't hear it." You can hear one of them drop. n/t retread Jun 2017 #63
What an interesting thread...thanks for starting it, raccoon. Glorfindel Jun 2017 #64
I definitely pronounce them differently ailsagirl Jun 2017 #70
My son came home from Georgia preschool one day with a new saying. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #71
If you think a pin is mightier than a sword IronLionZion Jun 2017 #74
How many angels can fit on the head of a pig pin? yellowcanine Jun 2017 #81
My Canadian husband greymattermom Jun 2017 #75
And some say that "roof" rhymes with "woof." But maybe they are spoofin. yellowcanine Jun 2017 #79
So do they pronounce penthouse as pinthouse? yellowcanine Jun 2017 #80
There does not seem to be a difference in hearing the sounds Phentex Jun 2017 #82
Witch and Which get a lot of people. yellowcanine Jun 2017 #83
A stickin' pin or a writin' pin? Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #87
Good friend of mine from GA would always differentiate by saying. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #91
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