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Ichingcarpenter

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17. Gore blamed Clinton for his defeat in election
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jul 2014

Mr Gore "forcefully" blamed the former president for his loss, saying that the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal and the low esteem in which voters held Mr Clinton had proved serious obstacles to his campaign. But in the stormy White House confrontation, thought to have taken place between the end of the post-election drama on Dec 12 and Christmas Day, Mr Clinton replied equally strongly, according to friends, telling Mr Gore that he would have won if he had run on the Democrats' successful record in office.




The two, whose relationship has been very difficult since the Lewinsky affair and the impeachment that followed it, had their showdown alone inside the White House and it lasted for more than an hour. According to a Gore aide, the discussion was "cathartic", while a Clinton friend called it "tense". Another source who knows both told the Washington Post that the tone of the conversation was "very, very blunt". The newspaper said that while the former vice-president's friends called the meeting "very constructive", the Clinton side saw it as a much angrier event in which Mr Gore laid bare a simmering resentment of his former boss.
During the election campaign, tensions arose regularly between the Clinton White House and the Gore campaign, with Mr Clinton wondering openly why Mr Gore was not making more of the successes of the administration and using the president in campaigning. Mr Clinton said on one occasion that he was ready to rescue the struggling Gore effort. One senior Democrat said the tension between the two men, openly friendly at events such as the party convention in Los Angeles or at the launch of the Gore campaign, "was far worse than anyone knew".

Many Clinton supporters believe that the vice-president had a mental block about the man he was trying to succeed in the White House, making it clear he was uncomfortable with any level of involvement by the president in his campaign. Tipper Gore, the candidate's wife, was said to be particularly angry with Mr Clinton's "betrayal".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1321720/Gore-blamed-Clinton-for-his-defeat-in-election.html


From journalist Tony Schinella:

In Florida, CNN’s exit polling showed Nader taking the same amount of votes from both Republicans and Democrats: 1 percent. Nader also took 4 percent of the independent vote. At the same time, 13 percent of registered Democrats voted for Bush! Again, Gore couldn’t hold his own base and because of this, he lost. The Democrats don’t say one word about the fact that 13 percent of their own party members voted for Bush.

In fact, by a huge margin, the people who voted for Nader were not ex-Democrats, but ex-Reform Party voters who supported Ross Perot. These people 1) vote third party or stay at home, 2) won’t vote for a D or R regardless, and 3) are conservatives not liberals.

When asked who they voted for in 1996, 1 percent of Nader’s voters said they voted for Bill Clinton, 1 percent said they voted for Bob Dole, and 10 percent said they voted for Ross Perot.

Here is the chart:

1996——All—Gore—Bush—Buchanan—Nader
Clinton—46——82——16———0————1
Dole——30——–4——93———0————1
Perot——–7——23——65———1———–10
No vote—12——50——44———0————7

Again, Nader’s support did not come from Democratic supporters. They were mainly non-voters and ex-Perot supporters, most of whom were conservatives who supported Bush anyway. Not only that, Nader took from Democrats and Republicans equally: one measly percent.

Further:
Here are the sources:

Raw FL exit poll data:
http://www.vrdc.cornell.edu/info4470/projects/~bap63/pdf/florida2000.pdf

Tony Schinella Report:
http://politizine.blogspot.com/2004/02/debunking-myth-ralph-nader-didnt-cost.html

Progressive Review report
http://prorev.com/green2000.htm

Matthew Jones of USC’s Political Science Department:
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/spoilage/


http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2012/08/26/debunking-pathological-myths-of-the-2000-election-part-1-cnn-exit-polls-prove-that-nader-did-not-cost-gore-fl/



All this Nader talk is a distraction ..... hell Clinton's blowjob affair probably cost 3 million votes and nobody mentions that ... his stupid affair also cost the election too, plus all the other factors including the supreme court and crooked Florida politics.

I voted for Gore but went to the Jackson Brown /Bonnie Raitt concert supporting Nader... great concert bTW in colorado


Notice the Nader haters try to distract from the real issues? Its like Snowden but with a touch of Glen. and another 3 mins of hate rant.



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It's all Nader's fault. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1
it's not a bogyman, it's truth... bowens43 Jul 2014 #2
No, it isn't a fact.. 2banon Jul 2014 #4
It is a fact. Without Nader many of those things on your list are irrelevant. n/t Dawgs Jul 2014 #15
Oh.. i get it. you forgot your sarcasm tag... :) 2banon Jul 2014 #20
Nope. Your first assumption was correct. n/t Dawgs Jul 2014 #21
Capitalists will be capitalists ... TBF Jul 2014 #3
Unclear as to what you mean.. 2banon Jul 2014 #6
Yup - that's part of it - TBF Jul 2014 #9
Yep, that makes sense as to what's going on with this.. 2banon Jul 2014 #11
And don't you dare think about tilting left! The Center is where it's at. arcane1 Jul 2014 #5
Center? Where is that these days? 2banon Jul 2014 #7
Some where between the left butt cheek and the right butt cheek? L0oniX Jul 2014 #10
LOL! 2banon Jul 2014 #12
How else do you expect to get Rino voters to replace the progressive voters? L0oniX Jul 2014 #8
And the tired theory that these votes would have gone to Gore. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #13
California was a "safe" state for Gore.. 2banon Jul 2014 #14
The DINOs will be taking this on a new tour every couple years for eternity Doctor_J Jul 2014 #16
Gore blamed Clinton for his defeat in election Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #17
"At the same time, 13 percent of registered Democrats voted for Bush!" Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #19
I'm not going to get into a pissing match in GD Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #22
I love our forum too. :) Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #23
Hear, Here! 2banon Jul 2014 #26
Octafish and I have both Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #27
Can I join in on the lovefest here for the Socialist Progressives forum?...... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #36
you're presence is always welcomed, love your posts. 2banon Jul 2014 #42
Right back atcha 2banon........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #43
Hadn't see those stats before.. 2banon Jul 2014 #24
Terrific post. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #28
thanks for the links... bookmarking 2banon Jul 2014 #33
They're using Nader as a scapegoat. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #18
Nailed it.. 2banon Jul 2014 #25
A scapegoat and a bright, shiny object - TBF Jul 2014 #29
No you haven't been out of the loop. It's the same shit, different day.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #30
well said.. 2banon Jul 2014 #32
Yup. ctsnowman Jul 2014 #38
Chads & butterflies too Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #31
It didn't have to be "Florida, Florida, Florida." yallerdawg Jul 2014 #34
Yeah, I remember "Clinton Fatigue" too.. 2banon Jul 2014 #35
I think they're just trying to deflect from the fact that octoberlib Jul 2014 #37
I don't remember that particular factoid. 2banon Jul 2014 #39
I've seen numerous articles on it since the SC ruling . Clinton signed the bill octoberlib Jul 2014 #40
Hobby Lobby Decision is the evil spawn of Bill Clinton 2banon Jul 2014 #41
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