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In reply to the discussion: I've been out of the loop apparently, Nader bogyman is making the rounds again [View all]Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Mr Gore "forcefully" blamed the former president for his loss, saying that the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal and the low esteem in which voters held Mr Clinton had proved serious obstacles to his campaign. But in the stormy White House confrontation, thought to have taken place between the end of the post-election drama on Dec 12 and Christmas Day, Mr Clinton replied equally strongly, according to friends, telling Mr Gore that he would have won if he had run on the Democrats' successful record in office.
The two, whose relationship has been very difficult since the Lewinsky affair and the impeachment that followed it, had their showdown alone inside the White House and it lasted for more than an hour. According to a Gore aide, the discussion was "cathartic", while a Clinton friend called it "tense". Another source who knows both told the Washington Post that the tone of the conversation was "very, very blunt". The newspaper said that while the former vice-president's friends called the meeting "very constructive", the Clinton side saw it as a much angrier event in which Mr Gore laid bare a simmering resentment of his former boss.
During the election campaign, tensions arose regularly between the Clinton White House and the Gore campaign, with Mr Clinton wondering openly why Mr Gore was not making more of the successes of the administration and using the president in campaigning. Mr Clinton said on one occasion that he was ready to rescue the struggling Gore effort. One senior Democrat said the tension between the two men, openly friendly at events such as the party convention in Los Angeles or at the launch of the Gore campaign, "was far worse than anyone knew".
Many Clinton supporters believe that the vice-president had a mental block about the man he was trying to succeed in the White House, making it clear he was uncomfortable with any level of involvement by the president in his campaign. Tipper Gore, the candidate's wife, was said to be particularly angry with Mr Clinton's "betrayal".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1321720/Gore-blamed-Clinton-for-his-defeat-in-election.html
From journalist Tony Schinella:
In Florida, CNNs exit polling showed Nader taking the same amount of votes from both Republicans and Democrats: 1 percent. Nader also took 4 percent of the independent vote. At the same time, 13 percent of registered Democrats voted for Bush! Again, Gore couldnt hold his own base and because of this, he lost. The Democrats dont say one word about the fact that 13 percent of their own party members voted for Bush.
In fact, by a huge margin, the people who voted for Nader were not ex-Democrats, but ex-Reform Party voters who supported Ross Perot. These people 1) vote third party or stay at home, 2) wont vote for a D or R regardless, and 3) are conservatives not liberals.
When asked who they voted for in 1996, 1 percent of Naders voters said they voted for Bill Clinton, 1 percent said they voted for Bob Dole, and 10 percent said they voted for Ross Perot.
Here is the chart:
1996AllGoreBushBuchananNader
Clinton46821601
Dole3049301
Perot72365110
No vote12504407
Again, Naders support did not come from Democratic supporters. They were mainly non-voters and ex-Perot supporters, most of whom were conservatives who supported Bush anyway. Not only that, Nader took from Democrats and Republicans equally: one measly percent.
Further:
Here are the sources:
Raw FL exit poll data:
http://www.vrdc.cornell.edu/info4470/projects/~bap63/pdf/florida2000.pdf
Tony Schinella Report:
http://politizine.blogspot.com/2004/02/debunking-myth-ralph-nader-didnt-cost.html
Progressive Review report
http://prorev.com/green2000.htm
Matthew Jones of USCs Political Science Department:
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/
ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/spoilage/
http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2012/08/26/debunking-pathological-myths-of-the-2000-election-part-1-cnn-exit-polls-prove-that-nader-did-not-cost-gore-fl/
All this Nader talk is a distraction ..... hell Clinton's blowjob affair probably cost 3 million votes and nobody mentions that ... his stupid affair also cost the election too, plus all the other factors including the supreme court and crooked Florida politics.
I voted for Gore but went to the Jackson Brown /Bonnie Raitt concert supporting Nader... great concert bTW in colorado
Notice the Nader haters try to distract from the real issues? Its like Snowden but with a touch of Glen. and another 3 mins of hate rant.