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In reply to the discussion: Game of Thrones final episode. [View all]

Boomer

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17. Catch up comments
Sun May 19, 2019, 07:58 AM
May 2019

To jump back a post, there were two major problems for this season: lack of time and lack of material.

The showrunners are ahead of the books and now we can see just how reliant they were on Martin's writing. The scripts flattened out noticeably, without the clever twists and turns provided by the author. Knowing the major plot points that Martin is planning (which I've heard that he communicated to them) is not the same as telling a story. The devil is in the details. The showrunners were excellent at summarizing the best parts of the books, paring away details but retaining essential turning points, but not so good at coming up with that depth on their own. It's an entirely different skill set or talent, and they didn't transition gracefully.

Meanwhile, since you haven't seen the series, your arguments about Cersei are weakened by a lack of knowledge of where she's been and who she is. Cersei has been implacably villainous, yet she reached a point a few seasons back that actually won that sympathy from viewers. And she did it with incredible backbone. Her Walk of Shame is an iconic event in the series, and despite all her despicable deeds, it was impossible not to be moved by the attempts to break her spirit and her ability to maintain her dignity in the face of screaming mobs -- naked, vulnerable, but unbowed.

Having seen her emerge from that crucible even more hardened than before (which is saying a great deal), the final scenes of her life in Episode 5 just don't ring true. And the whole pregnancy thing was... weird. Given the time that passed since she first announced her pregnancy, she should have been the size of a blimp by the time she died. I still wonder if the pregnancy was another of Cersei's tricks, but the showrunners forgot to let the audience in on her subterfuge.

And finally, having a sword fight between Dany and Cersei... no offensive, but that's kinda ridiculous. Dany has a dragon. You don't jump off the dragon to kill your enemy, you just roast them on the spot.

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Game of Thrones final episode. [View all] Blue_true May 2019 OP
A Lannister always pays his debts. bluedigger May 2019 #1
What does that mean? I did not follow the series. Thanks. nt Blue_true May 2019 #2
Really? You think Tyrion will do the honors? Chemisse May 2019 #3
Arya will kill (or steal) the dragon. bluedigger May 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Beartracks May 2019 #4
I don't expect a happy ending Boomer May 2019 #5
What is your insight on the bad show writing? Blue_true May 2019 #8
Except Cersei was NEVER pathetic Boomer May 2019 #10
You don't think Cersei's ending had a lot of pathos in it. Blue_true May 2019 #13
Catch up comments Boomer May 2019 #17
A sword fight would be much more dramatic. nt Blue_true May 2019 #18
I would disagree with you regarding the writers inability to write without the books. Red State Prisoner May 2019 #22
My guess is that Dany dies (Arya will kill Dany), and Jon goes to the Iron Throne as Drogon's master mr_lebowski May 2019 #9
I think Jon Snow will end up on the Iron Throne, but he will not want it. Downtown Hound May 2019 #7
Tyrion didn't betray Varys Boomer May 2019 #11
Varys was right to try and poison Daenerys Downtown Hound May 2019 #12
I agree, but that's not betrayal Boomer May 2019 #14
You are right. I - and others I talked to - totally missed the poison plot. Chemisse May 2019 #15
Because bad writing & screen-time priorities Boomer May 2019 #16
One of my complaints about modern movie storytelling. Blue_true May 2019 #19
Really disappointed. It's like the writers weren't even trying and simply ecstatic May 2019 #20
They have to get on to the next Star Wars movie due out in 2023. Blue_true May 2019 #21
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