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barrow-wight

(744 posts)
91. "cuts to your welfare and programs???"
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:22 AM
May 2016

So what is this idiot saying, that being on welfare and programs is somehow intrinsic to the Black experience or something? Yes, we live in a racist society where blacks have higher rates of both incarceration and "welfare and programs," and we should correct this. However, taking that to an assumption that these qualities are what define Black americans is just beyond disgusting and assumes that they somehow must be kept in a little bubble and do what they're told. It's insufferable to read.

I detest Condoleezza Rice's politics as the day is long, but she said something years ago that has stuck with me ever since and I wish I could find the exact quote or clip. She was talking about her journey and how she was taught by her parents to be "twice as good" as any white man if she wanted to succeed. It hit me first because so many Black republicans act as though systemic racism has somehow magically gone away. Ms. Rice didn't say that. She acknowledged the systemic racism. But then it hit me. She became twice as good. Yeah, I don't like her political beliefs or her participation in Iraq but I do celebrate her pride in kicking the system's ass and doing it in a way where she didn't have to be a template for anyone else's politics, even ones I disagree with. And that right there is the kicker. These Bernie supporters feel like people like you, Bravenak, are no better than Condoleezza Rice because, to them, you should fit some template of what a black person should be. If a black woman wants to be Condoleezza Rice, that's her choice! And if a black woman wants to be Bravenak, rock on! I can see why you get so angry and I couldn't be more lily white. It pisses me off every time I see you say these things and see how little they actually hear you.

I thank God that I did not have to face the challenge of systemic racism. The challenge of straight-up poverty was hard enough, but more than anything I wanted to proud of what I achieved. The way these people talk about support for Hillary misses a huge point. The black community had its highest income averages during Bill Clinton's presidency. That's pride in one's own achievements, a quality that can build hope and strength in any color. Who doesn't want the empowerment to feel great about themselves? Yes, we all want to know there's a safety net when we need it and I believe that Hillary supports that net in a more empowering way. I partly supported her husband's reform of welfare not because I wanted to see those nets go away, but because I wanted to see the conversation changed to one where people are empowered to feel better than a refugee floating in a life preserver in the middle of a stormy sea. Not being black, I can only guess at this, but if I had to zero in on why the Clintons speak to many in the black community, it is because they see them as more than just a cardboard cutout of poverty and programs.

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Bernie voted voted voted voted voted for the crime bill!!! Her Sister May 2016 #1
Did you notice that this guy assumes we are all on welfare? Tsk tsk tsk! bravenak May 2016 #8
Yet, Bruce is very far from being a racist. sheshe2 May 2016 #13
He's positively post racial bravenak May 2016 #14
Love this! DemonGoddess May 2016 #80
I checked his posts, his racism just started showing now that Bernie has lost. bravenak May 2016 #83
Anyone who starts off their argument with "I'm not a racist, but" ... NurseJackie May 2016 #49
But..... sheshe2 May 2016 #53
That was also the problem with Bernie Sanders himself. A very small percentage of the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #86
The rot comes from the top bravenak May 2016 #88
He's a big old bigot! JustAnotherGen May 2016 #33
To My Alerter JustAnotherGen May 2016 #75
LOL!! Because you know as well as I do what'll happen to you! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #87
BS tough on Crime 2012 Vermont Her Sister May 2016 #2
He always seems to be loudly against stuff he voted for bravenak May 2016 #3
LOL true that. fleabiscuit May 2016 #7
Yeah but he only voted for it to "protect" women. puffy socks May 2016 #47
Bruce Lacey- overdid himself there! Yuck! Her Sister May 2016 #4
I honestly hope that he did not use his real name bravenak May 2016 #5
"You people" johnp3907 May 2016 #6
Like your signature line Thinkingabout May 2016 #10
The Masks are coming off bravenak May 2016 #11
No it will never end Coolest Ranger May 2016 #9
It's fucking sad ass shit bravenak May 2016 #12
Bruce sure has a lot of RW talking points, ye Gawds! sheshe2 May 2016 #15
So weird for a far leftie bravenak May 2016 #22
There's that welfare bullshit again. ismnotwasm May 2016 #16
My pet peeve bravenak May 2016 #18
Yup ismnotwasm May 2016 #23
I wish I could explain to them in a way they might understand how harmful this crap is bravenak May 2016 #32
I know ismnotwasm May 2016 #46
I don't know how many times I've said rbrnmw May 2016 #90
Its such bullshit but they just cant stop themselves. bravenak May 2016 #92
Well, the campaign staff of one of our candidates said, "Hillary won the Confederacy" TwilightZone May 2016 #17
All hillary states are the confederacy bravenak May 2016 #19
Ugh. TwilightZone May 2016 #24
Lots of them are long time members. Sad. bravenak May 2016 #36
Agreed. TwilightZone May 2016 #38
I know exactly who bravenak May 2016 #41
What Mr. Lacey fails to recognize is that this is not the 90's. We're moving forward. We're going Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #20
I think they don't get that we'd rather deal with somebody who admits mistakes bravenak May 2016 #25
Exactly. BS lies by omission everytime he speaks about this topic. You'd think Dr. West would.... Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #34
Brother West is too busy being nice to Brother Bernie and Brother Trump. bravenak May 2016 #35
I love what they omit to fit, their story. sheshe2 May 2016 #30
Hey She! I've found that BS' rhetoric oftentimes doesn't match his actual voting record. Maybe... Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #37
Aw c'mon Maru Kitteh May 2016 #96
My standard reply goes something like, "You just called me a member of the 'dumbest voting block.'" BobbyDrake May 2016 #21
I want to reply to him but... bravenak May 2016 #27
Well, he certainly leaves no doubt concerning his level of education. eom UtahLib May 2016 #26
His composition skills are terrible bravenak May 2016 #29
Nope, not until we line up behind our white progressive betters. SaschaHM May 2016 #28
They have no clue that THEY look bad. Not us. bravenak May 2016 #31
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #39
"You people" brer cat May 2016 #40
He says he tried to help us learn! bravenak May 2016 #43
Its a total double standard, and no I do not see it ending soon. BootinUp May 2016 #42
Agreed bravenak May 2016 #44
Enormous K & R. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #45
For decades, BS pandered to his monochromatic VT base, while Hillary engaged with AAs. SunSeeker May 2016 #48
The black political persons in Vermont said he ignored them. bravenak May 2016 #50
They are so brainwashed! I want to Thank Black Voters EVERYWHERE and that Includes Cha May 2016 #51
So tired of them bravenak May 2016 #52
Not only doesn't BS care enough as we can tell by his inaction and words.. he Cha May 2016 #60
Yep. They follow the lead bravenak May 2016 #62
The non leader wanted to be president.. Cha May 2016 #63
Hey sister! Don't you know by now yer supposed to listen to us white folks? leftofcool May 2016 #54
He promises he is not racist bravenak May 2016 #56
Holy shit! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #55
Well, when a candidates staffers call us the confederacy bravenak May 2016 #57
Poor guy is hella mad bravenak May 2016 #58
Wow, what an ignorant dick sarae May 2016 #59
He thinks he is truth telling so nothing is wrong with it bravenak May 2016 #61
Hate to break it to Bruce but whites folks did more crack than black folks ever did Number23 May 2016 #68
Oh, he is so mad that none of us care to listen to his 'educating'. bravenak May 2016 #69
Bruce Lacey is JustAnotherGen May 2016 #76
I agree. I'd hate for him to sign up here and stress us out. bravenak May 2016 #78
Jeezus DemonGoddess May 2016 #82
See, you just need educating! mcar May 2016 #64
Wow, that might be the highest Clinton-cliche'-per-word ratio I've ever seen. TwilightZone May 2016 #65
Don't feel bad. Imagine how upset he feels about women being so stupid... Walk away May 2016 #66
Amazingly hateful stuff..... George II May 2016 #67
Prolly not. But it sure is good to see you around here again. Hekate May 2016 #70
I'm ready as hell for this to be over bravenak May 2016 #71
So is Skinner Hekate May 2016 #74
Wow. That is one seriously uninformed dude. Lucinda May 2016 #72
I've always said Corporate666 May 2016 #73
If it weren't for Black voters, we'd have Presidenr Mittens right now. Starry Messenger May 2016 #77
Yep. They need a white man in the whitehouse to feel safe. bravenak May 2016 #84
WOW Gothmog May 2016 #79
we can all guess who that totally not-racist dudebro will be supporting in the general election nt geek tragedy May 2016 #81
Oh yeah... I can guess. bravenak May 2016 #85
Wow I want to think this is Trump supporters trolling as Sander supporters Legends303 May 2016 #89
Could be. Though his other posts show that he is very into Bernies platform. bravenak May 2016 #93
"cuts to your welfare and programs???" barrow-wight May 2016 #91
Thank you thank you thank you! bravenak May 2016 #94
You're welcome. barrow-wight May 2016 #95
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