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Flatulo

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15. Well, in my relatively uneducated opinion, the government of VZ has taken a decidedly Marxist
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:55 PM
May 2013

tilt starting with Chavez. At least their actions strike me as Marxist. Collectivism, redistributionism, central planning of the economy, the vilification of private property owners and other capitalists, and expropriation and nationalization of major industries.

They seem to have a major flaw that other Marxist states have suffered from - idolization of the head of state. I know that is not a tenet of Marxism, but it always seems to take a powerful, if not outright totalitarian, figure to implement the wrenching changes needed to transition from a colonial society to a socialist or communist one.

This is not to say that all centrally planned economies are failures, or that there aren't some things that the government can't do better than the private sector. Some examples are air and water and possibly energy resources. But the private sector with its robust competition and strong profit motive is needed if you want to enjoy large screen TVs and iPods and BMWs.

I spent my entire career as an engineer working with people from the former Soviet bloc, and they all had very interesting stories to tell about how people devolve into uninspired drones under a system that guarantees them employment and basic resources for living but not much else, no matter how hard one strives. Shortages are a fact of life as fewer and fewer people produce beyond the bare minimum. It's an all-around pretty bleak and shitty existence.

I'm talking about colleagues from Russia, Poland, Serbia, Albania, Romania, etc. Now these were all educated people, so maybe they had more natural drive than others, but to the last one, they all loathed their homelands and considered themselves very fortunate to have made it to the States and would never return in a million years.

So that's my basic education on Marxism. If I'm wildly off-base, please educate me. But I've known enough expats to have formed a strong opinion about the matter.

Now, on the other hand, I've also worked with colleagues from Denmark, Finland and Germany, and they all loved their home societies. Strong private sector with high taxes and a good social safety net works well for them. They're also incredibly industrious people who work like maniacs until its time to go home, then they don't work another minute. They also poll as the happiest people on earth, for what it's worth.

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Supermarkets have warehouses naaman fletcher May 2013 #1
Wow, from obtuse denial to unsubstantiated ct woo, all in one post! Warren Stupidity May 2013 #2
I see, naaman fletcher May 2013 #3
Hey, you know what else causes shortages? ocpagu May 2013 #7
in every case naaman fletcher May 2013 #8
Yep, Polar had something to do with this. joshcryer May 2013 #28
Over 1000 tons of basic foods seized, 6000 kilos of chicken in downtown Maracaibo (Zulia), Catherina May 2013 #4
Very worth the time investigating. Since they won't consider their fellow Venezuelans, Judi Lynn May 2013 #5
Just like our multimillion dollar exploiters need some encouragement Catherina May 2013 #9
Maybe they should sell business and leave? Socialistlemur May 2013 #31
Video report of the confiscation in the 2 Enne stores. Manufactured "shortages" Catherina May 2013 #6
Stores which actually corner the market on essentials & don't deal fairly Judi Lynn May 2013 #10
I have to wonder - why would these distributors hoard? I can think of a few reasons. Flatulo May 2013 #11
Also, naaman fletcher May 2013 #12
No. If anything, they've demonstrated a staggering level of incompetence about all things monetary. Flatulo May 2013 #13
? ocpagu May 2013 #14
Well, in my relatively uneducated opinion, the government of VZ has taken a decidedly Marxist Flatulo May 2013 #15
Being so white, they are "incredibly industrious." Say, that's good news! Judi Lynn May 2013 #16
Fuck their skin color, look at their GDP! Flatulo May 2013 #18
Well, I'm familiar with Latin American private sector complaints... ocpagu May 2013 #17
Beautiful. We do know you know exactly what you're saying. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn May 2013 #19
I'm not an advocate of laissez-faire capitalism, and the European social democracies Flatulo May 2013 #21
I think it's more the case that those who've relocated here are less risk-averse and thus less Flatulo May 2013 #22
Perhaps... ocpagu May 2013 #24
The adjusted GDP closely tracks the price of oil. It's not like they increased their productivity, Flatulo May 2013 #25
Oh, I almost forgot. ocpagu May 2013 #20
My initial impressions of Chavez were indeed shaped by mainstream media depictions, and Flatulo May 2013 #23
2 would make no sense for the company, of course. joshcryer May 2013 #29
I don't think the state is asking them to pay less. They're allowed to make a profit, but a fair one Catherina May 2013 #32
It's more than 20 items naaman fletcher May 2013 #33
Looks like it covers 616 items: joshcryer May 2013 #36
"The controlled price for toilet paper is $8.20(USD) for 12 rolls." naaman fletcher May 2013 #34
Is there any genuine competition in the retail Flatulo May 2013 #48
k/r Dawson Leery May 2013 #26
Hang a few CEOs mwrguy May 2013 #27
Do you work to just break even? If I pay for your gas and Flatulo May 2013 #30
They can still make a profit. Catherina May 2013 #37
I'm glad you agree that a reasonable profit is not a bad thing. People need some incentive Flatulo May 2013 #39
The problems is the different definitions of reasonable Catherina May 2013 #41
"400% ? That's price-gouging" naaman fletcher May 2013 #42
I more or less agree with you on executive compensation and corporate governance. Flatulo May 2013 #43
FWIW naaman fletcher May 2013 #44
Abso-fucking-lutely. Flatulo May 2013 #45
Why do we need stock portfolios? What's wrong with good old-fashioned pension plans? Catherina May 2013 #46
Pension plans are great, if you can find them anymore in the private sector. Of course, the Flatulo May 2013 #47
Canada has the right idea on medicine. Most of their medicines are under price controls Catherina May 2013 #35
Yes, shelter and water as well mwrguy May 2013 #38
Manufacturing drugs is relatively straightforward. It's the massive R&D that goes into bringing Flatulo May 2013 #40
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