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Catherina

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41. The problems is the different definitions of reasonable
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:43 AM
May 2013

Pharma execs in the US think it's reasonable to have multimillion dollar bonuses every year and mid-level managers wouldn't dream of flying economy class. Their executive management wouldn't dream of flying commercial. They wouldn't dream of living in less than a mansion (look what happened to real estate prices in Silicon Valley as a result, where needed workers like cops, teachers and fireman have to commute 4 hours a day to get to work now).

They've created a vicious model and consumers pay for this because we let them. And we can't stop them either because they own almost everyone who could.

I don't know what your definition of reasonable profit is but mine isn't Colgate's or Archer Midland Daniel's. And tax codes haven't been a great help. We swore for eons that was the answer but look where we are. Huge profitable multinationals like GE pay no taxes. They hide their money overseas, in GE's case [link:$108 Billion Overseas - priva|108 Billion] after you and I bailed them out, and gets excused with tripe like this "GE is often derided for its minimal or non-existent federal tax bill, yet it employees tens of thousands of people who all pay some income tax."

Meanwhile, Venezuelan Vice President Elias Jaua stated that the regulated prices would be implemented gradually, first in large supermarket and pharmacy chains, and then at all levels of businesses. He further qualified the fixed prices measure as “fair and necessary”.

Granadillo explained that the 19 products had been chosen for regulation due to their importance for family budgets and after a study found that from 2007 - 2011 they had increased 400% in price, well above inflation.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6905


400% ? That's price-gouging. No responsible government can tolerate that. Tax codes don't work very well because of who writes the tax codes. I prefer what the Latin American governments are doing, negotiate fair prices or kick them out and do it yourself. Brazil, for example, regularly breaks US patent laws regularly on medication because drug manufacturer's idea of *reasonable profits* make no sense for the citizens it has a responsibility to protect (one case).

There was a time when people made huge discoveries, developments, without the profit motive.

If Polio was practically eliminated, it's because Salk was horrified at the idea of putting a patent on his vaccine. ( "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?&quot Same with the Curie's arduous R&D into radium. We're not all selfish and things weren't always like this. A very good biologist friend of mine, an old man with many discoveries and achievements once very sadly remarked that his field died out in the US when people started doing things for profit instead of doing them for the love of biology. Kill the profit motive. A reasonable profit ok, if we must, but not what's going on now.

"This is a law to protect the people from capitalism," Chavez said to a crowd of officials and government supporters gathered in the capital's poor 23 de Enero district. "We have a tough battle ahead."

While price controls already exist for some basic foods such as cooking oil and rice, the law taking effect Tuesday extends them to a wider range of goods and gives the government more enforcement authority.

...

Chavez accused large transnational companies and local monopolies of "exploiting the people" by unjustifiably boosting prices.

"Whenever we increase salaries, they immediately raise prices,"

http://www.startribune.com/printarticle/?id=134352313

They have a tough battle ahead because the selfish ones, the greedy ones won't give up their profits without a fight. They'd rather see working class families before giving them out. They've made that clear all over the world. Including Venezuela where this charming attitudes is rife: (the caps are all Conchita's)

HOW LONG DO WE OF THE WORKING MIDDLE CLASS HAVE TO GET SCREWED BECAUSE OF THE POOR CLASS. WORK, THAT’S WHAT GOD GAVE YOU ABILITIES FOR. DON’T STICK YOUR HAND OUT TO GET ALMS, BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING TO MAKE YOU PAY FOR IT LATER. DON’T BE MORE IGNORANT AND GET GOING WORK AND DON’T BE BEGGARS AND WHAT’S WORSE DON’T GO AROUND SAYING THAT ALL THE POOR ARE WITH THE REVOLUTION.. THAT IS A LIE AND CHEEKY. WHAT SEVERAL DO IS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REVOLUTION AND WHAT THEY’RE CALLED IS BOLIBOURGEOISE. STOP BEING THIEVES AND WORK.

http://infosurhoy.com/cocoon/saii/xhtml/en_GB/features/saii/features/main/2013/03/22/feature-02

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Supermarkets have warehouses naaman fletcher May 2013 #1
Wow, from obtuse denial to unsubstantiated ct woo, all in one post! Warren Stupidity May 2013 #2
I see, naaman fletcher May 2013 #3
Hey, you know what else causes shortages? ocpagu May 2013 #7
in every case naaman fletcher May 2013 #8
Yep, Polar had something to do with this. joshcryer May 2013 #28
Over 1000 tons of basic foods seized, 6000 kilos of chicken in downtown Maracaibo (Zulia), Catherina May 2013 #4
Very worth the time investigating. Since they won't consider their fellow Venezuelans, Judi Lynn May 2013 #5
Just like our multimillion dollar exploiters need some encouragement Catherina May 2013 #9
Maybe they should sell business and leave? Socialistlemur May 2013 #31
Video report of the confiscation in the 2 Enne stores. Manufactured "shortages" Catherina May 2013 #6
Stores which actually corner the market on essentials & don't deal fairly Judi Lynn May 2013 #10
I have to wonder - why would these distributors hoard? I can think of a few reasons. Flatulo May 2013 #11
Also, naaman fletcher May 2013 #12
No. If anything, they've demonstrated a staggering level of incompetence about all things monetary. Flatulo May 2013 #13
? ocpagu May 2013 #14
Well, in my relatively uneducated opinion, the government of VZ has taken a decidedly Marxist Flatulo May 2013 #15
Being so white, they are "incredibly industrious." Say, that's good news! Judi Lynn May 2013 #16
Fuck their skin color, look at their GDP! Flatulo May 2013 #18
Well, I'm familiar with Latin American private sector complaints... ocpagu May 2013 #17
Beautiful. We do know you know exactly what you're saying. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn May 2013 #19
I'm not an advocate of laissez-faire capitalism, and the European social democracies Flatulo May 2013 #21
I think it's more the case that those who've relocated here are less risk-averse and thus less Flatulo May 2013 #22
Perhaps... ocpagu May 2013 #24
The adjusted GDP closely tracks the price of oil. It's not like they increased their productivity, Flatulo May 2013 #25
Oh, I almost forgot. ocpagu May 2013 #20
My initial impressions of Chavez were indeed shaped by mainstream media depictions, and Flatulo May 2013 #23
2 would make no sense for the company, of course. joshcryer May 2013 #29
I don't think the state is asking them to pay less. They're allowed to make a profit, but a fair one Catherina May 2013 #32
It's more than 20 items naaman fletcher May 2013 #33
Looks like it covers 616 items: joshcryer May 2013 #36
"The controlled price for toilet paper is $8.20(USD) for 12 rolls." naaman fletcher May 2013 #34
Is there any genuine competition in the retail Flatulo May 2013 #48
k/r Dawson Leery May 2013 #26
Hang a few CEOs mwrguy May 2013 #27
Do you work to just break even? If I pay for your gas and Flatulo May 2013 #30
They can still make a profit. Catherina May 2013 #37
I'm glad you agree that a reasonable profit is not a bad thing. People need some incentive Flatulo May 2013 #39
The problems is the different definitions of reasonable Catherina May 2013 #41
"400% ? That's price-gouging" naaman fletcher May 2013 #42
I more or less agree with you on executive compensation and corporate governance. Flatulo May 2013 #43
FWIW naaman fletcher May 2013 #44
Abso-fucking-lutely. Flatulo May 2013 #45
Why do we need stock portfolios? What's wrong with good old-fashioned pension plans? Catherina May 2013 #46
Pension plans are great, if you can find them anymore in the private sector. Of course, the Flatulo May 2013 #47
Canada has the right idea on medicine. Most of their medicines are under price controls Catherina May 2013 #35
Yes, shelter and water as well mwrguy May 2013 #38
Manufacturing drugs is relatively straightforward. It's the massive R&D that goes into bringing Flatulo May 2013 #40
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