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Flatulo

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9. And you, my friend, have a tendency, common in this forum,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:45 AM
Feb 2014

to characterize anyone who is critical of the heavy-handed LA leftist governments, as being in the far-right wing. Is there no position in the Democratic Party even a smidgen to the right of, say, the Castro style of governance? This is Democratic Underground, not Socialist Underground. When Skinner changes the name, I'll make my exit bow. Until then, I'll continue to argue in favor of free enterprise and individual liberties.

I see this as a common tactic - to claim that one's position is the same as Koch or Fox News. This is a logical fallacy. I could just as easily claim that because you and Hitler both enjoyed soup, that you're ideological soul mates.

You seem very bright. I hope you can do better than this.

I have read Marx, and I've also read Rand. I don't believe in centrally managed economies. There is a long trail of failed states as evidence that they don't work. I also believe that American- style capitalism is doomed.

I think the Danes and other Scandinavian states have got it about right. They have market economies with strong social safety nets and high taxes, and their people poll as the happiest in the world.

What I don't like about the VZ model is that I see a lot of support here for the kind of tactics that the Chavistas have used to stay in power. Using state resources to promote a 24/7 cycle of pro-government propaganda. Vilifying the West for every ill. Armies of red- shirted civilian militias taking to the streets to make sure everyone has 'their mind right'. You see this behavior over and over again in collectivist states.

Would I give up my rights to dissent for straight teeth and a free education? Never.

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US should stop interfering with anyone, IMO Demeter Feb 2014 #1
Two republican senators disagree RobertEarl Mar 2014 #24
Agree 100%. Only Cuba should meddle in Venezuela. Flatulo Feb 2014 #2
But Cuba isn't meddling, it is collaborating, delrem Feb 2014 #3
Who knows? The opposition claims that Cuba meddled in the presidential elections, and the Flatulo Feb 2014 #4
Well yes, that's just the problem. The opposition doesn't respect the VZ democratic system. delrem Feb 2014 #7
I didn't say that no one is conspiring to overthrow VZs Flatulo Feb 2014 #10
So now you're walking back from your McCarthyesque "communist" "Marxist" baiting. delrem Feb 2014 #12
I stand by every statement I made. The sources you cite Flatulo Feb 2014 #13
Cuba is acting like a mature state, collaborating rather than attempting to destabilize a country. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #5
It's good to know that VZ is being raped of its oil by a Marxist state rather than a Capitalist one. Flatulo Feb 2014 #6
But Venezuela isn't being "raped of its oil by a Marxist state". delrem Feb 2014 #8
And you, my friend, have a tendency, common in this forum, Flatulo Feb 2014 #9
I reply to you according as you post. Nothing more, nothing less. delrem Feb 2014 #11
Have you been to VZ recently, or ever? How about Cuba? Flatulo Feb 2014 #14
And a thorough reading of Rand or Freidman is not necessary to see what an utter failure sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #17
We're in complete agreement that laissez-faire capitalism is a failure for far too many. Flatulo Feb 2014 #18
Thank you for a civil response. It seems we agree on most issues, I definitely agree re sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #20
Thanks, I try to start out that way, but everyone loses it from time to time, Flatulo Feb 2014 #21
One bright side to the story that I can see is that delrem Feb 2014 #22
I am honest with my friends, and my friends are honest with me. delrem Mar 2014 #23
Venezuelans are more than capable of resolving their own problems, we sure haven't sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #16
Exactly right! Sad, but so true. It's a painful awakening for people of conscience. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #19
haha +1 n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #15
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