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NNadir

(38,574 posts)
12. 0.8 grams of lead "isn't much?" For whom?
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:58 PM
Aug 2020

We have spent over two trillion dollars on solar and wind in the last ten years.

It is not doing anything to address coal, oil and methane. In fact, without coal, oil, and in particular gas, the solar industry would be even more useless than it is.

Do you know where electronic waste is "recycled." In the first world? Why do you think China, now a wealthy nation that made a fortune in "recycling" electronic waste banned it last year?

Because it's green.

There are tens of thousands of papers in the primary scientific literature on lead concentrations in Chinese children.

I type these words into Google Scholar: chinese children lead concentrations recycling

I get more than 35,000 hits in 0.12 seconds. I've been reading papers along these lines for many decades.

Here's the thing with people promoting so called "renewable energy" as lipstick on the gas, oil and coal pig. They are uniformly bourgeois, and uniformly oblivious to the consequences of their actions.

The solar industry, after 50 years of cheering, combined with wind, tidal, and geothermal on which we bet the future of the planet, produces less than 13 exajoules of energy on a planet where humanity is producing and consuming 600 exajoules per year.

We here the lie that "coal is dead," even though coal has been the fastest growing source of energy on the planet in the 21st century, albeit in countries we don't care about, the same countries we send our electronic waste to be "recycled."

Now.

Do you know what is an essential material for making steel for all the wind turbines that will be land fill in about 20 years? Um, coke. Do you know how they make coke? They heat coal. Do you know what provides the heat for coke production. Coal fires.

How about aluminum? Do you know what an aluminum green anode is? Do you know how it's made. I'll tell you. It's from petroleum coke, made from the refinery bottoms.

0.8 grams, eh? For a form of energy that is trivial, no less. Imagine, if you will, that we multiply that figure by a billion, for a billion solar cells, in the quixotic quest to make "green" so called distributed energy, for everyonem and add to it all the toxic shit in batteries. Will you follow your 0.8 grams to see where it goes?

Distributed no less, widely.

Here's why I oppose so called "renewable energy," and applaud the only sustainable form of nuclear energy. I open science books and scientific papers. I don't pat myself with self-satisfied obliviousness.

OK?

Thanks for letting me know how vibrantly aware you are. After listening to this shit for the last 30 or 40 years, I happened to notice that the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide hit over 416 ppm this year, and that the rate of increase is reached 2.4 ppm/year, the highest rate ever observed.

I'm paying attention. You?

The cause of climate change may involve denial on the right, but here on the left we are all too willing to lie to ourselves and repeat over and over and over and over and over that so called "renewable energy" will save the day. It hasn't saved the day; it isn't saving the day; and it won't save the day. The reason is physics, the low energy to mass ratio of renewable energy devices and their need for redundant environmentally unacceptable back up. There is a reason that humanity abandoned so called "renewable energy" early in the 19th century, and all the reactionary self delusion in the world won't change that reason.

The last best hope for humanity is nuclear energy. I'd willing to bet a lot of money you're against it.

Enjoy the weekend.

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Perovskite has been a Holy Grail Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #1
A bigger deal is that these lead laced perovskites will be killing people in 25 years. NNadir Aug 2020 #2
You miss the good climate news update Finishline42 Aug 2020 #4
World's coal has been falling since 2013, albeit not in a straight line. 2019 lower by 3.3% progree Aug 2020 #11
BTW, this says 0.8 gram per sq meter of perovskite PV Finishline42 Aug 2020 #5
Yep. I run into this type of claim all the time Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #8
Wow, "solar scam"? Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #6
He's a big nuclear fan Finishline42 Aug 2020 #9
The solution is in cheaper and denser "battery" tech Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #10
0.8 grams of lead "isn't much?" For whom? NNadir Aug 2020 #12
So, much misinformation Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #13
Really? Misinformation? "Fake news?" "Talking points" Your references for this claim are what? NNadir Aug 2020 #16
See, I have read a number of your prior posts on this topic and see a pattern Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #17
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #33
I never compared you to Trump Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #34
A link to your tables from the IEA WEO 2019 report and tables derived from it progree Aug 2020 #19
Right on cue... Finishline42 Aug 2020 #18
I have had constructive discussions Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #20
Lead from rotting solar panels has a half life of FOREVER. hunter Aug 2020 #27
*sigh* Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #29
Sigh. Bye. hunter Aug 2020 #31
Yes, bye indeed. Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #32
I wonder what the cost and life span is of this type of solar panel. I have a total of 30 panels, in2herbs Aug 2020 #3
The panels are warranted to 80% rated output for 25 years Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #7
Y'all really shouldn't beat each other up so much... k2qb3 Aug 2020 #14
I agree but while we are investing in long-term renewable energy why can't solar be an in2herbs Aug 2020 #15
I'm not sure how to respond. k2qb3 Aug 2020 #21
AOC and Markey have a green plan that, from what I've read, Biden is exploring. nt in2herbs Aug 2020 #24
My thought has been a program to expand solar for schools and govt Finishline42 Aug 2020 #28
Just for context, since I'm new to the group... k2qb3 Aug 2020 #30
Solar+battery works Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #23
That the secret -- stop allowing the govt to give subsidies to the fossil fuel industry. Use that in2herbs Aug 2020 #25
If subsides to FF were cut, Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #26
Not a proponent of bio-fuels Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #22
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