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NNadir

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Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:15 AM Dec 2021

Of course, we're all going to live in an EV nirvana so there's no need to read this paper. [View all]

The paper is: Uncertain Future of American Lithium: A Perspective until 2050 (Alessio Miatto, Paul Wolfram, Barbara K. Reck, and Thomas E. Graedel Environmental Science & Technology 2021 55 (23), 16184-16194)

The paper has four lithium supply scenarios, the two of which sound like something I know being these:

2.1.3. Lithium Scenario 3: Adaptation Challenges

The Adaptation Challenges scenario is developed upon SSP4, in which affluent countries invest in environmental protection programs but international cooperation is minimal, leaving each country to solve its own problems. Countries like the United States have enough expenditure capacity to support the adoption of EVs and clean energy grids, but on a global scale, the adoption of low-carbon solutions is inconsistent and insufficient to meet the climate change goals. Lithium use and associated new technologies grow in wealthy countries, but lithium recycling is not sought after because mining and associated environmental impacts occur in other countries.

2.1.4. Lithium Scenario 4: Fossil Fuel Everything

This scenario is built upon SSP5, in which nonrenewable energy sources dominate future demand. There are little to no incentives to promote the adoption of electric vehicles. Lithium use grows moderately, pushed by affluent environmentally conscious citizens rather than public policies. Lithium recycling is neglected because of the modest sales numbers of EVs and PVs with energy storage systems.


Don't worry, be happy. They'll be plenty of lithium and plenty of cobalt and nickel too, not only to build billions of Tesla cars to drive to Space X platforms for trips to the moon as well as to build that pile of batteries the size of Mount Whitney in California in order to cover those periods, of which many have occurred in recent weeks, where all the wind turbines in California spread over thousands of square miles can't produce as much energy as Diablo Canyon produces on 12 acres of land.

Enjoy the workweek.
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I have to go with all the automakers who have thought of all that and still they Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #1
Maybe I read a bit more than you do. n/t. NNadir Dec 2021 #2
Maybe, impossible to tell. Dense chemical science journals, I'll give you that. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #3
Ha! Eko Dec 2021 #5
More strawman. Eko Dec 2021 #4
I obviously get around more than some people. NNadir Dec 2021 #6
Its sloppy rhetoric to have a strawman in your title. Eko Dec 2021 #7
It's lying to post photoshopped pictures of mutants as if they... NNadir Dec 2021 #8
Of course the title stands, you're the king of strawman on here. Eko Dec 2021 #9
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm quite sure you think highly of it. NNadir Dec 2021 #10
You're welcome. Eko Dec 2021 #11
Nevada will be a solar farm and utility lines and roads and lithium mine waste dump very soon. jeffreyi Dec 2021 #12
Tell us how you really feel. This sort of thing goes back to the days of David Brower. NNadir Dec 2021 #13
Nuclear engineers will contribute to saving the planet, yes. Fusion and all things Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #15
There is no reason to use solar energy for any purpose except in certain cases in remote systems. NNadir Dec 2021 #16
When someone can put a nuclear engine in a car or in a house, call me. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #18
Lots of factual errors. Start with lithium batteries can't be recycled... Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #14
There are thousands of papers in the primary scientific literature on the issues in recycling... NNadir Dec 2021 #17
Car cultists...glib nonsense...wishful thinking...marketing hype...that's a lot of strawmen to Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #19
I call it as I see it. For more than half a century I've listened to.... NNadir Dec 2021 #20
There's a company in Scottsburg Indiana that recycles the main battery on a Prius Finishline42 Dec 2021 #21
Really? Problem solved then? I guess the authors of this paper are nowhere near as wise... NNadir Dec 2021 #22
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