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NNadir

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16. There is no reason to use solar energy for any purpose except in certain cases in remote systems.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:10 AM
Dec 2021

It's "transitional" to disaster. The low energy to mass ratio, as well as its dependence on the use of dangerous fossil fuels and/or batteries means it is environmentally unacceptable, since a requirement for redundant systems is inherently unsustainable.

I still can't believe people carry on about hydrogen as if it were "green." It's not green. After half a century of caterwauling about it, it is still, overwhelmingly, made from reforming dangerous natural gas. Not only that, it is more difficult to handle and store than dangerous natural gas, which is not to say handling dangerous natural gas is easy or safe.

Hydrogen is stored energy, and thus, as a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics, it wastes energy.

After 50 years of wild cheering, the solar industry has never, not once, ever, produced as much energy as nuclear energy has been producing consistently for more than 3 decades. Why would anyone declare that can "transition" to nuclear energy? It will never be as safe, as reliable, as sustainable or as affordable as nuclear energy, and its nonsense to think it is, can be, or will be.

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I have to go with all the automakers who have thought of all that and still they Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #1
Maybe I read a bit more than you do. n/t. NNadir Dec 2021 #2
Maybe, impossible to tell. Dense chemical science journals, I'll give you that. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #3
Ha! Eko Dec 2021 #5
More strawman. Eko Dec 2021 #4
I obviously get around more than some people. NNadir Dec 2021 #6
Its sloppy rhetoric to have a strawman in your title. Eko Dec 2021 #7
It's lying to post photoshopped pictures of mutants as if they... NNadir Dec 2021 #8
Of course the title stands, you're the king of strawman on here. Eko Dec 2021 #9
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm quite sure you think highly of it. NNadir Dec 2021 #10
You're welcome. Eko Dec 2021 #11
Nevada will be a solar farm and utility lines and roads and lithium mine waste dump very soon. jeffreyi Dec 2021 #12
Tell us how you really feel. This sort of thing goes back to the days of David Brower. NNadir Dec 2021 #13
Nuclear engineers will contribute to saving the planet, yes. Fusion and all things Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #15
There is no reason to use solar energy for any purpose except in certain cases in remote systems. NNadir Dec 2021 #16
When someone can put a nuclear engine in a car or in a house, call me. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #18
Lots of factual errors. Start with lithium batteries can't be recycled... Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #14
There are thousands of papers in the primary scientific literature on the issues in recycling... NNadir Dec 2021 #17
Car cultists...glib nonsense...wishful thinking...marketing hype...that's a lot of strawmen to Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #19
I call it as I see it. For more than half a century I've listened to.... NNadir Dec 2021 #20
There's a company in Scottsburg Indiana that recycles the main battery on a Prius Finishline42 Dec 2021 #21
Really? Problem solved then? I guess the authors of this paper are nowhere near as wise... NNadir Dec 2021 #22
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