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NNadir

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20. I call it as I see it. For more than half a century I've listened to....
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:55 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Tue Dec 14, 2021, 01:26 PM - Edit history (1)

..."someday" stuff.

For me, it is "some day" now. Some day turned out to be 420 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere this April.

When I was a kid - I'm an old man - I heard all about recycling plastics, and used to drive my car to recycling centers. (In retrospect that was pretty clueless. ) How's plastic recycling working out?

Recycling is energy intensive and diffuse distributed materials in particular are the worst cases because of collection and transport issues. I've actually read tons of papers on the chemistry of recycling batteries. It may be feasible, but it's very, very, very dirty chemistry. Lithium batteries, like so called "renewable energy" are dependent on access to dangerous fossil fuels and products like solvents (including but not limited to electrolytes). There's nothing "green" about it.

For the record, I have been attending lectures at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory for something like 15 years. Every winter there's a few lectures that in sum could be titled "Progress in Fusion."

Anyone stating that fusion is inevitable is certainly unfamiliar with any of the associated technical issues.

Of course I'm familiar with hand waving and wishful thinking. I pay attention to energy issues, and wishful thinking in particular dominates well over 90% of what I hear and read.

Nonetheless in my lifetime the concentration of CO2 has risen nearly 100 ppm.

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I have to go with all the automakers who have thought of all that and still they Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #1
Maybe I read a bit more than you do. n/t. NNadir Dec 2021 #2
Maybe, impossible to tell. Dense chemical science journals, I'll give you that. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #3
Ha! Eko Dec 2021 #5
More strawman. Eko Dec 2021 #4
I obviously get around more than some people. NNadir Dec 2021 #6
Its sloppy rhetoric to have a strawman in your title. Eko Dec 2021 #7
It's lying to post photoshopped pictures of mutants as if they... NNadir Dec 2021 #8
Of course the title stands, you're the king of strawman on here. Eko Dec 2021 #9
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm quite sure you think highly of it. NNadir Dec 2021 #10
You're welcome. Eko Dec 2021 #11
Nevada will be a solar farm and utility lines and roads and lithium mine waste dump very soon. jeffreyi Dec 2021 #12
Tell us how you really feel. This sort of thing goes back to the days of David Brower. NNadir Dec 2021 #13
Nuclear engineers will contribute to saving the planet, yes. Fusion and all things Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #15
There is no reason to use solar energy for any purpose except in certain cases in remote systems. NNadir Dec 2021 #16
When someone can put a nuclear engine in a car or in a house, call me. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #18
Lots of factual errors. Start with lithium batteries can't be recycled... Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #14
There are thousands of papers in the primary scientific literature on the issues in recycling... NNadir Dec 2021 #17
Car cultists...glib nonsense...wishful thinking...marketing hype...that's a lot of strawmen to Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #19
I call it as I see it. For more than half a century I've listened to.... NNadir Dec 2021 #20
There's a company in Scottsburg Indiana that recycles the main battery on a Prius Finishline42 Dec 2021 #21
Really? Problem solved then? I guess the authors of this paper are nowhere near as wise... NNadir Dec 2021 #22
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