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GliderGuider

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9. Did you really think I was trying to justify the building of nukes???
Sun May 27, 2012, 02:49 PM
May 2012

Not a chance! I'm perfectly happy to see the curve of nuclear generation sliding down toward 2030. I do not want to seen any new nukes built, and I want to see the operating ones shut down as quickly as is politically possible.

Nuclear power is completely the wrong sort of technology to be building this close to the end of a cycle of civilization. It's too expensive, it's dynamically unstable (meaning it takes constant attention to keep various things from going wrong with it), and the consequences of an "excursion" are too great for a stressed, decaying civilization to deal with adequately.

If we're going to run around spending money and effort to keep the lights on, better to spend it on lower-tech projects with fewer consequences if part of it breaks down. I'd rather have a dozen busted, flaming windmills in the next field than a single busted, flaming nuke.

My big concern is CO2, since its consequences may be fatal for entire ecosystems far into the future. Not adding nuclear concerns on top of that, for marginal return, seems only sensible.

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How many data points between 2003-2012 did you use? kristopher May 2012 #1
Annual points from 1980 to 2010, so 30 points in all (edited) GliderGuider May 2012 #2
There are literally hundreds of "authoritative estimates" out there GG. kristopher May 2012 #3
"Outlier"? Not hardly. GliderGuider May 2012 #4
You're right. kristopher May 2012 #6
When I look at the distribution I'm reminded of a PERT analysis. GliderGuider May 2012 #10
I'd like to respond more fully a bit later today hopefully, but in the meantime kristopher May 2012 #12
How is IRENA not the same kind of industry group XemaSab May 2012 #5
Decry? kristopher May 2012 #7
Beautifully argued but you have left some things out intaglio May 2012 #8
Did you really think I was trying to justify the building of nukes??? GliderGuider May 2012 #9
At first, yes, I did think you were being supportive intaglio May 2012 #11
One thing I'd like to see is the big 3 'C's: Concrete, Clinker, and Coke. joshcryer May 2012 #13
Thanks. That's a very useful memory graphic! GliderGuider May 2012 #14
I'm trying to find a breakdown for "industry," but generally it's "those three." joshcryer May 2012 #15
EPA kristopher May 2012 #16
US only doesn't tell you the full picture. joshcryer May 2012 #17
The report that is part of has 60 pages of references. kristopher May 2012 #18
Found the kind of breakdown I want, page 85: joshcryer May 2012 #19
"Industrial" is one sector of power kristopher May 2012 #20
I looked at the EPA table, it's good, but because it's US-only... joshcryer May 2012 #21
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