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intaglio

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11. At first, yes, I did think you were being supportive
Sun May 27, 2012, 03:18 PM
May 2012

I did realise my mistake but unfortunately in the edit I forgot to remove stuff that might have seemed critical or change the tone of the post. Sorry I got that wrong.

On first reading I realised that you had left out arguments against nuclear. I saw a need to include the data about the delays and costs of building "radioactive tea kettles". I concentrated on the delays, because the UK is good for documenting that sort of stuff, and hoped you or someone else would post about excess and unrecognised subsidies or the possibilities for energy reduction in other areas or other generating options which must be developed.

TBH I find certain people in this forum entirely too forgiving of the nuclear option and so I can post longish screeds because it is vastly important that the nuclear plant are not built. I understand the attraction of nuclear for 18 months ago (or less) I would have been on the side of the devils but I had been wavering for a couple of years. Nuclear is the easy option, an existing technology that industry supports and that would fit into current infrastructure but the level of risk over the lifetimes of these dinosaurs is too high.

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How many data points between 2003-2012 did you use? kristopher May 2012 #1
Annual points from 1980 to 2010, so 30 points in all (edited) GliderGuider May 2012 #2
There are literally hundreds of "authoritative estimates" out there GG. kristopher May 2012 #3
"Outlier"? Not hardly. GliderGuider May 2012 #4
You're right. kristopher May 2012 #6
When I look at the distribution I'm reminded of a PERT analysis. GliderGuider May 2012 #10
I'd like to respond more fully a bit later today hopefully, but in the meantime kristopher May 2012 #12
How is IRENA not the same kind of industry group XemaSab May 2012 #5
Decry? kristopher May 2012 #7
Beautifully argued but you have left some things out intaglio May 2012 #8
Did you really think I was trying to justify the building of nukes??? GliderGuider May 2012 #9
At first, yes, I did think you were being supportive intaglio May 2012 #11
One thing I'd like to see is the big 3 'C's: Concrete, Clinker, and Coke. joshcryer May 2012 #13
Thanks. That's a very useful memory graphic! GliderGuider May 2012 #14
I'm trying to find a breakdown for "industry," but generally it's "those three." joshcryer May 2012 #15
EPA kristopher May 2012 #16
US only doesn't tell you the full picture. joshcryer May 2012 #17
The report that is part of has 60 pages of references. kristopher May 2012 #18
Found the kind of breakdown I want, page 85: joshcryer May 2012 #19
"Industrial" is one sector of power kristopher May 2012 #20
I looked at the EPA table, it's good, but because it's US-only... joshcryer May 2012 #21
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