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Benton D Struckcheon

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36. ...and it will never store more energy ever in all eternity, right?

Fri May 24, 2013, 08:05 PM

May 2013

And no one is working on improving it because it's completely utterly absolutely and totally impossible!!!

Sheesh.

Meantime, a list of costs per kilowatt hour for various technologies: http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Cents_Per_Kilowatt-Hour
Note the text on wind: Wind is currently the only cost-effective alternative energy method
This is borne out by the evidence: as I noted earlier and you seem to be trying to draw attention away from, wind's adoption is advancing pretty rapidly, and it already qualifies as a statistically significant source of energy for the US, and has already knocked oil out of the running.
That didn't happen because it's a utopian dream. It happened because it's cost-effective. Solar gets a fat credit too, but its adoption is significantly below that of wind, and it remains, for the utilities at least, an insignificant rounding error despite the credit.
The credit can speed up adoption, but it can't force it. Adoption happens because the thing makes sense.

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The Renewable Energy Reality Check [View all] wtmusic May 2013 OP

I very much want to hear from those at DU who repeatedly claim that this profile is wrong. Buzz Clik May 2013 #1

Renewables Jesus has the answer. wtmusic May 2013 #2

This study of predictions shows your sources are the least reliable of all available. kristopher May 2013 #4

Excellent rebuttal, as usual. Stay after them. nt ladjf May 2013 #18

The Original Post Reality Check Wilms May 2013 #3

You forgot the EIA wtmusic May 2013 #5

See article in post 4 kristopher May 2013 #6

Nah. I posted a comment about "their" data, too Wilms May 2013 #7

What's your point? wtmusic May 2013 #9

Written by the president of an "alternative energy" company who stands to profit immensely wtmusic May 2013 #8

Really now. Is a photo of fat Rex Tillerson supposed to prove something? wtmusic May 2013 #11

First off, that isn't Tillerson. Wilms May 2013 #13

Apology accepted. wtmusic May 2013 #15

I will admit that I haven't read the article. Archaic May 2013 #10

The graph forecasts a drop in coal use (by percentage) wtmusic May 2013 #12

I sure hope somebody comes up with a very stronge CCS program. Archaic May 2013 #22

Read it, and will await the 2nd article Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #14

Wind is the fastest growing in terms of percentage. It's insignificant, before and after. wtmusic May 2013 #16

See below. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #17

2012: 100GW total global PV -- By 2018 Additional 220GW only rooftop to be added kristopher May 2013 #19

I'm aware of that, but am skeptical. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #20

Solar HAS come down to a level where it is competitive kristopher May 2013 #21

A number of 100mw to 300mw solar pv plants will be built over the next 18 months- in the US. FogerRox May 2013 #27

Wind is "cheap" because of the production tax credit wtmusic May 2013 #23

As regards CO2, Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #24

No, not terrible. Natgas generates about 60% as much CO2 as coal wtmusic May 2013 #25

I think people deliberately spreading known misinformation like this should be banned from EE kristopher May 2013 #26

Are utilities required to buy the cheapest power? FogerRox May 2013 #28

No, that is when they turn of fossil fuels and use wind instead. kristopher May 2013 #29

Interesting, but you do realize, I hope, that a backup is always going to be necessary. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #31

Your meaning isn't clear, but I think the IEEE article is. kristopher May 2013 #32

Neither agree nor disagree Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #30

You seem to be studiously avoiding the subject of the production tax credit wtmusic May 2013 #33

Not sure where you're coming from, Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #34

Ah, the credit is only temporary. wtmusic May 2013 #35

...and it will never store more energy ever in all eternity, right? Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #36

We don't have all eternity. wtmusic May 2013 #37

Risk management Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #38

Based on your analogy, you would support an immediate evacuation of Wyoming. wtmusic May 2013 #39

You're not getting it Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #41

Renewables do nothing about fossil fuel usage 4dsc May 2013 #40

See below Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #42

But on the other hand... GliderGuider May 2013 #43

I see your hand and raise you... Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #44

A dropping % indicates a linear rise in concentration... GliderGuider May 2013 #45

True, but as I tried to point out, that's the dog that's not barking Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #47

China took in our washing - that took care of part of it. nt GliderGuider May 2013 #48

Maybe the linear CO2 concentration growth trend is coincidental? Socialistlemur May 2013 #49

Plants are known to grow better at greater CO2 concentrations, Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #50

After further review CO2 increase is constrained by ocean Socialistlemur May 2013 #52

I've been wanting to test whether the seasonal variability is in fact increasing, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #59

In PPM terms there is a slight uptrend in variability Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #60

Renewables are not a substitute for oil 4dsc May 2013 #51

Same thing: as oil supplies dwindle prices increase..renewables kick in Socialistlemur May 2013 #53

You miss the whole point 4dsc May 2013 #54

You would have to show why solar wont do the job eventually Socialistlemur May 2013 #55

There's this little problem about nighttime, and when the wind dies. wtmusic May 2013 #56

I think you mean the wind power industry? Socialistlemur May 2013 #57

Natural gas peaking plants fill in the gaps when solar and wind aren't working wtmusic May 2013 #58

My energy utility blew up an adjacent neighborhood about 2 years ago CreekDog May 2013 #46