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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:25 AM Apr 2014

Toyota's new Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car will be able to power a house [View all]

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CES 2014: Toyota shows off fuel cell car that can also power a home



...The automaker chose the big tech gathering to display the four-seater, which looks like a futuristic Prius, to highlight its advanced engineering. A fully-fueled vehicle will be able to supply enough energy to power a house for a week in an emergency, Toyota said. Its engineers are working on an adapter that will connect the car into a home’s electrical grid.

After debuting the concept car at the Tokyo Motor Show in November, Toyota plans to start selling the car in the United States next year. While it has yet to disclose pricing, the company said it has slashed the cost of bringing the car to market by tapping an electric powertrain it already uses on one of its hybrid vehicles and other common parts.

“Fuel cell electric vehicles will be in our future sooner than many people believe, and in much greater numbers than anyone expected,” said Bob Carter, senior vice president of automotive operations for Toyota’s U.S. sales arm.

Toyota is one of three companies pushing forward with fuel cell vehicle cars. Hyundai will start offering one later this year and Honda plans one next year.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-toyota-fcv-fuel-cell-ces-20140106,0,884109.story#ixzz2pjQ6pJWg

Is it dangerous to store hydrogen in a tank attached to a vehicle?


Fuel cell cars from Toyota, Honda, Hyundai set to debut at auto shows

..."Hydrogen is quite a dangerous gas," said Musk, who also runs SpaceX, the rocket company formally known as Space Exploration Technologies Corp. "It's suitable for the upper stage of rockets, but not for cars."

Not true, says Matt McClory, one of the principal engineers of the Toyota fuel cell vehicle. And he has a bullet to prove it. In safety tests, Toyota's engineers shot rifle bullets at its high-pressure hydrogen tanks to see if they would explode or catch fire.

"The smaller-caliber bullets would just bounce off the tank," McClory said. "It took a 50-caliber armor-piercing bullet to penetrate the tank, and it then just left a hole and the gas leaked out."

Hyundai has set its entire car ablaze without triggering an explosion. When the temperatures rise high enough, the hydrogen vents in a flair pattern through a pressure valve but burns off quickly...
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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/17/autos/la-fi-hy-fuel-cell-cars-20131117

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Hydrogen powered vehicle on the
left. Gasoline powered vehicle on the right
Photo 4 - Time: 1 min, 30 sec - Hydrogen flow almost finished.



From Fuel Leak Simulation
Dr. Michael R. Swain University of Miami
(PDF) https://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/30535be.pdf
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Well this will get squashed quickly. CFLDem Apr 2014 #1
I expect that soon we will have a "minimum electricity charge" for everyone, no matter djean111 Apr 2014 #2
Really, they're no doubt working on who owns the sun. toby jo Apr 2014 #3
according to the article Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #5
according to the article The CCC Apr 2014 #6
Independent? You still have to buy hydrogen NickB79 Apr 2014 #8
no, you don't nationalize the fed May 2014 #13
Again, none of that is free. You are still paying to make the hydrogen NickB79 May 2014 #14
Comprehension problem nationalize the fed May 2014 #16
Top Gear: The Car Tech for the Future nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #4
look at this video rafeh1 Apr 2014 #7
Toyota fires bullets into hydrogen fuel tanks nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #9
The Geography of Transport Systems nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #10
Shoot a Hydrogen tank, Gas & Propane Tanks nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #11
kick nationalize the fed May 2014 #12
First question: Do we need cars? hunter May 2014 #15
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