Toyota's new Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car will be able to power a house

[nationalize the fed]

16. Comprehension problem

Your first example uses up metallic scrub pads as an fuel source. You already got smacked down on that absurd idea of an "economical" source of hydrogen here:

From the thread:

mpsp (miles per scrub pad) is not the point
I'm not advocating creating hydrogen with aluminum or pot scrubbers.

The point of that post was to show that creating hydrogen gas does not require millions of dollars of equipment.

Any "smacking down" was imagined, by those who didn't understand the words in that thread.

It would be far, far more economical and energy-efficient to buy an electric car that could charge directly from those solar panels

Experts disagree

Better Than a Battery

'Since they're basically electric, it begs the question: Why not just drive a battery-electric vehicle? Ronald Grasman, general manager of U.S. fuel cell vehicle operations with Mercedes-Benz, explained the problems with EVs during the conference. "Battery vehicles are great," he said, "but they have their limitations when it comes to range and charging time. This is where fuel cell vehicles make a great difference."

In theory, a hydrogen car can beat a battery electric thanks to convenient and quick refueling, and a somewhat esoteric concept called "energy density." An EV requires long recharging times, and even with a big battery, the range of an EV is usually limited to 100 miles or so. However, hydrogen can be pumped into a tank similar to gasoline, and that tank full of hydrogen holds a lot more energy than a battery does. The upshot is that you can get zero emissions, the rough equivalent of gasoline-car range, but without the long wait of recharging, or the hassle of engineering a gigantic battery pack into the vehicle.
http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/hydrogen-cars-close-to-reality/2000010655/

http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/10001_well_to_wheels_gge_petroleum_use.pdf



Batteries or Fuel Cells?
http://cleancaroptions.com/html/batteries_or_fuel_cells-.html

Different fuels have different levels of energy content and the above graph relates to energy released through combustion. The higher the energy content the higher the quality of the fuel, which is inversely proportional to its chemical complexity. High quality fuels are gases while low quality fuels are solids, with liquids in between...
https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch8en/conc8en/energycontent.html

battery only EV's lose up to 57% of their range in cold weather, and what happens to all these batteries that will sooner or later need to be replaced? And driving around 1,000 pounds of batteries costs how much efficiency?

Here's an answer to getting off oil, becoming energy self sufficient and doing this in an environmentally friendly way. And then some people say maybe we don't even need cars. Astounding.

The future is here and no amount of denial is going to change it.