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PamW

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12. Hydrogen bubble turned out to be a mistake.
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 08:02 PM
Mar 2012

Remember the ‘hydrogen bubble’ they were worried about at Three Mile Island?
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There never was a "hydrogen bubble" problem at TMI. That's why the concern went away overnight.
Hydrogen all by itself is NOT explosive. A hydrogen-oxygen mixture IS explosive. You've probably also heard this truism said about gasoline. Gasoline is not explosive, but a gasoline-air mixture is explosive.
In order to have an explosive mixture; you need free oxygen to mix with the fuel.

It was a mistake by someone at the NRC, Roger Mattson, that caused concern about the bubble. Concern went away when Victor Stello demonstrated Mattson's mistake:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/three/peopleevents/pandeAMEX88.html

On Sunday afternoon, while Carter was still there, Victor Stello found the proof he needed. They discovered that Mattson and his team of consultants had been using the wrong formula to determine the risk posed by the hydrogen bubble. Stello concluded that "hydrogen under pressure will prevent water from breaking apart into hydrogen and oxygen because it will tend to suppress the creation of more hydrogen. Without free oxygen, there can be no explosion."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09088/959200-96.stm

Next, the NRC said a hydrogen bubble inside the TMI reactor might explode. Not true, as it turned out. But an already rattled public waited with growing trepidation as experts, working to stabilize the situation, quit trying to correct media doomsday reports that fueled public panic.

There was no free oxygen inside the TMI coolant loop to create an explosive mixture. TMI did have a stuck open safety valve that let hydrogen out into the containment building where there is oxygen to create an explosive mixture.

In fact, there WAS a hydrogen / oxygen explosion at TMI as there was at Fukushima. However, the TMI containment building completely contained that explosion, whereas the Fukushima building blew apart. It's more of a testimony to the difference in regulations between Japan and the USA.

PamW

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THE MEDIA DID NOT HYPE FUKUSHIMA [View all] kristopher Mar 2012 OP
Underhyped was my impression. aquart Mar 2012 #1
With no rational reason to BE afraid if it, why would you? TheWraith Mar 2012 #6
How many Americans do you think recognize the name "Tohoku?" OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #7
Exactly right. Nihil Mar 2012 #21
I guess it depends on which definition of "hype" you use. FBaggins Mar 2012 #2
Media selectivity PamW Mar 2012 #11
Not hyped but Frontline underhyped that day. For instance why weren't any questions snagglepuss Mar 2012 #3
"hyped" or not is probably the wrong way to frame the question caraher Mar 2012 #4
Watch the Frontline OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #5
The potental and real consequences were under-reported kristopher Mar 2012 #8
One clear way in which the events at “Fukushima Daiichi” were overhyped… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #9
Really? That was a part of the media coverage I must have missed. kristopher Mar 2012 #10
Which part did you miss? OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #16
... the concern so many self-absorbed “Americans” showed for their own health, rather than... kristopher Mar 2012 #17
I didn't attempt to "dismiss the meltdowns." Clearly you have me confused with someone else. OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #18
You do realize that communication is a multi-party activity, right? kristopher Mar 2012 #19
I guess I should be comforted that you only compared me to Rush Limbaugh... OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #20
Your remarks were dismissive and serve to diminish the consequences of the meltdowns... kristopher Mar 2012 #22
Hydrogen bubble turned out to be a mistake. PamW Mar 2012 #12
And the reactor designs. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #15
There was no mistake that there was a hydrogen bubble, and there's debate about the explosion OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #14
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