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In reply to the discussion: Quest to Mine Seawater for Lithium Advances [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)11. ROFL - Again, just reiterating basic natural resource economics doesn't show ...
...that the availability of lithium is any kind of constraint that will not be met by normal market mechanisms.
However, gross inefficiency - such as we see with storage via hydrogen - is most definitely a deal killer.
Below is shamelessly copied from Mike Shurtleff's 3 day old comments to this article:
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Is-There-Enough-Lithium-to-Maintain-the-Growth-of-the-Lithium-Ion-Battery-M
But before we get to Mike's list, I'll quote "anon" commenting on the same article:
"Boy, wouldn't it suck to be one of those EV companies that sells enough cars to EXHAUST THE WORLD'S LITHIUM SUPPLY?
Man, that would suck.
Seriously, if this is a concern in my lifetime, then we as an industry have done something monumental."
Man, that would suck.
Seriously, if this is a concern in my lifetime, then we as an industry have done something monumental."
Now, back to Mr. Mike's compilation:
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1434
Lithium in Abundance
April 2008
Evans pointed out that a single geothermal well in southern California can produce enough lithium to meet all of the world's current demand for lithium.
There are also lithium-bearing clays called Hectorite and oilfield brines that contain commercially-viable concentrations of lithium, though they would be more expensive to produce
He estimates it at 28.4 million tonnes of lithium, which is equivalent to 150 million tonnes of lithium carbonate. Current world demand is 16,000 tonnes.
His conclusion is that "concerns regarding lithium availability for hybrid or electric vehicle batteries or other foreseeable applications are unfounded."
http://www.worldlithium.com/Home_files/An%20Abundance%20of%20Lithium.pdf
AN ABUNDANCE OF LITHIUM by R. Keith Evans
March 2008
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1457
Peak Lithium or Lithium in Abundance?
May 2008
More on peak lithium issue. Some good comments.
...
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/geothermal-power-lithium-mining-two-in-one-in-california
Geothermal Power, Lithium Mining Two-in-One in California
September 2009
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9881869-54.html
Simbol Mining - Mining lithium from geothermal 'lemonade'
Feb 2008
The start-up eventually aims to mine more than 100,000 tons of lithium carbonate each year from geothermal sources. That's more than the current annual market for the compound; the company expects demands for it to quintuple by 2013.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427385.700-battery-lithium-could-come-from-geothermal-waste-water.html
Battery lithium could come from geothermal waste water
Dec 2009
A GEOTHERMAL power plant in California will soon be producing more than just electricity.
The valuable metal lithium could be extracted from its hot waste water.
geothermal waters at the Salton Sea, about 250 kilometres inland and on top of the active San Andreas fault, are just as lithium-rich as the most productive brine lakes in Bolivia and Chile. Simbol says Salton's waters can be exploited with a much smaller environmental footprint.
Simbol is now building its first demonstration plant, projected to produce about 1 tonne of lithium metal a month
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/07/simbol-20100704.html
Report: Itochu To Join Lithium Extraction Project in California
July 2010
The Nikkei reports that Itochu Corp. is participating in a project to extract lithium from the produced water from geothermal power generation at a site in California.
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=19441
New Lithium Carbonate Prospects Identified in Argentina
October 2008
http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2009/03/27/gms-volt-lithium-batteries/
GMs Volt & Global Lithium Reserves
March 2009
If you run these numbers, it appears we can build 2.42 billion EVs before we run out of known lithium reserves.
http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1692
TRU Group's Lithium Outlook
April 2009
Hired by Mitsubishi, his firm's research strongly suggests that the current supply chain of lithium carbonate producers is adequate to meet future demand out to around 2020, though he does see potential constraints starting to develop around 2017 as the market for electric car batteries begins to heat up.
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Rodinia-Minerals-Inc-TSX-VENTURE-RM-1037656.html
August 2009
Rodinia Minerals Inc.: Clayton Valley Lithium Project Drilling Update
The lithium-bearing brines are found in layers of volcanic ash and gravels down to the basement of the basin estimated to occur at a depth of 2800'. The current round of drilling will go to a depth of 1200', deeper drilling will be considered for a future program. Production from the existing Silver Peak facility in Clayton Valley is generated from lithium brines in the volcanic ash layer at a depth of 300'. An additional 2D reflective seismic survey is planned and will extend the current lines north from an existing production well and to the east and west boundaries of the valley.
http://www.safehaven.com/article-12965.htm Obama, Lithium, Uranium and Rodinia March 2009
http://www.rodiniaminerals.com/ (symbol RDNAF)
http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=21825
Is There Enough Lithium for Electric Car Boom? Most Experts Say Yes
September 2009
SYNOPSIS: Between new lithium resources and recycling, proponents see enough lithium for electric car batteries into the foreseeable future.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10357588-48.html
Enough lithium for hybrid boom? Most say yes
September 2009
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Lithium+mine+will+help+power+revolution/2260866/story.html
November 2009
Quebec lithium mine will help power electric-car revolution
Quebec will have a mine north of Val d'Or on stream in 2011 and Australia's Talison Lithium, the world's biggest single producer, is coming with an initial public share offering in Canada and at home.
http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=23518
Afghanistan Could Be 'Saudi Arabia' of Lithium - June 2010
SYNOPSIS: Previously unknown deposits include huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium, all vital of green tech economy. The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan
http://www.pv-tech.org/news/solarworld_goes_from_modules_to_mining
SolarWorld goes from modules to mining - March 2011
the company has announced plans to start prospecting for lithium on its doorstep in Saxony, Germany. SolarWorld said it had received official approval from the Saxon State Minister for Economic Affairs to start prospecting in the Eastern part of the Erzgebirge Mountains.
The Saxony-located lithium deposits were claimed to be among the ten largest lithium deposits in the world.
in lithium batteries final consumers will in future store their home-made solar power for self-consumption
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/08/lithium-20110803.html - August 2011
University of Michigan and Ford researchers see plentiful lithium resources for electric vehicles - August 2011
Researchers from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Co. report in Journal of Industrial Ecology that even with a rapid and widespread adoption of electric vehicles powered by lithium-ion batteries, lithium resources are sufficient to support demand until at least the end of this century.
The researchers compiled data on 103 deposits containing lithium, with an emphasis on 32 deposits that have a lithium resource of more than 100,000 metric tons each.
http://www.uwyo.edu/uw/news/2013/04/uw-researchers-lithium-discovery-could-boost-co2-storage-prospects.html - April 2013
UW Researchers Lithium Discovery Could Boost CO2 Storage Prospects April 24, 2013 Researchers at the University of Wyoming Carbon Management Institute (CMI) discovered a vast new lithium resource near Rock Springs during a geological carbon dioxide storage site characterization project sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy. Preliminary analyses of fluid samples collected from a well drilled on the Rock Springs Uplift -- a geological feature in southwest Wyoming -- suggest that reservoir brines from a 25-square-mile area of the uplift could contain 228,000 tons of lithium: enough to meet annual U.S. demand. To help put this number in perspective, the lithium reserves at Silver Peak, Nev. -- the largest domestic producer of lithium -- total 118,000 tons in a 20-square-mile area. In a best-case scenario, the 2,000-square-mile Rock Springs Uplift could harbor up to 18 million tons of lithium, equivalent to about 720 years of current global lithium production.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/vast-reserves-lithium-found-wyoming-could-meet-all-us-demand.html- April 2013
Massive deposit of lithium found in Wyoming could meet all U.S. demand
Currently, the U.S. imports more than 80% of the lithium it uses, despite the fact that Bolivia alone has enough lithium reserves for 4.8 billion electric cars and that lithium can be recycled from old batteries (it doesn't disappear after use like oil), some people are concerned about our civilization's increased dependence on the soft silver-white metal. It's true that the element is finding its way into everything, from phones to cars. But most signs seem to point toward lithium's availability going up and its price going down over time, not the reverse. This would be great for the electrification of transportation via plug-in hybrids and fully electric cars.
The latest development that supports that thesis comes from researchers at the University of Wyoming. They've found lithium - a lot of it - in Rock Springs Uplift, a geological feature in southwest Wyoming. Data so far suggests that brines from a 25-square-mile area could contain 228,000 tons of lithium. That's enough to meet annual U.S. demand, and almost twice as much as the reserves from the biggest domestic lithium producer (located at Silver Peak, in Nevada).
Lithium in Abundance
April 2008
Evans pointed out that a single geothermal well in southern California can produce enough lithium to meet all of the world's current demand for lithium.
There are also lithium-bearing clays called Hectorite and oilfield brines that contain commercially-viable concentrations of lithium, though they would be more expensive to produce
He estimates it at 28.4 million tonnes of lithium, which is equivalent to 150 million tonnes of lithium carbonate. Current world demand is 16,000 tonnes.
His conclusion is that "concerns regarding lithium availability for hybrid or electric vehicle batteries or other foreseeable applications are unfounded."
http://www.worldlithium.com/Home_files/An%20Abundance%20of%20Lithium.pdf
AN ABUNDANCE OF LITHIUM by R. Keith Evans
March 2008
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1457
Peak Lithium or Lithium in Abundance?
May 2008
More on peak lithium issue. Some good comments.
...
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/geothermal-power-lithium-mining-two-in-one-in-california
Geothermal Power, Lithium Mining Two-in-One in California
September 2009
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9881869-54.html
Simbol Mining - Mining lithium from geothermal 'lemonade'
Feb 2008
The start-up eventually aims to mine more than 100,000 tons of lithium carbonate each year from geothermal sources. That's more than the current annual market for the compound; the company expects demands for it to quintuple by 2013.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427385.700-battery-lithium-could-come-from-geothermal-waste-water.html
Battery lithium could come from geothermal waste water
Dec 2009
A GEOTHERMAL power plant in California will soon be producing more than just electricity.
The valuable metal lithium could be extracted from its hot waste water.
geothermal waters at the Salton Sea, about 250 kilometres inland and on top of the active San Andreas fault, are just as lithium-rich as the most productive brine lakes in Bolivia and Chile. Simbol says Salton's waters can be exploited with a much smaller environmental footprint.
Simbol is now building its first demonstration plant, projected to produce about 1 tonne of lithium metal a month
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/07/simbol-20100704.html
Report: Itochu To Join Lithium Extraction Project in California
July 2010
The Nikkei reports that Itochu Corp. is participating in a project to extract lithium from the produced water from geothermal power generation at a site in California.
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=19441
New Lithium Carbonate Prospects Identified in Argentina
October 2008
http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2009/03/27/gms-volt-lithium-batteries/
GMs Volt & Global Lithium Reserves
March 2009
If you run these numbers, it appears we can build 2.42 billion EVs before we run out of known lithium reserves.
http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1692
TRU Group's Lithium Outlook
April 2009
Hired by Mitsubishi, his firm's research strongly suggests that the current supply chain of lithium carbonate producers is adequate to meet future demand out to around 2020, though he does see potential constraints starting to develop around 2017 as the market for electric car batteries begins to heat up.
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Rodinia-Minerals-Inc-TSX-VENTURE-RM-1037656.html
August 2009
Rodinia Minerals Inc.: Clayton Valley Lithium Project Drilling Update
The lithium-bearing brines are found in layers of volcanic ash and gravels down to the basement of the basin estimated to occur at a depth of 2800'. The current round of drilling will go to a depth of 1200', deeper drilling will be considered for a future program. Production from the existing Silver Peak facility in Clayton Valley is generated from lithium brines in the volcanic ash layer at a depth of 300'. An additional 2D reflective seismic survey is planned and will extend the current lines north from an existing production well and to the east and west boundaries of the valley.
http://www.safehaven.com/article-12965.htm Obama, Lithium, Uranium and Rodinia March 2009
http://www.rodiniaminerals.com/ (symbol RDNAF)
http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=21825
Is There Enough Lithium for Electric Car Boom? Most Experts Say Yes
September 2009
SYNOPSIS: Between new lithium resources and recycling, proponents see enough lithium for electric car batteries into the foreseeable future.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10357588-48.html
Enough lithium for hybrid boom? Most say yes
September 2009
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Lithium+mine+will+help+power+revolution/2260866/story.html
November 2009
Quebec lithium mine will help power electric-car revolution
Quebec will have a mine north of Val d'Or on stream in 2011 and Australia's Talison Lithium, the world's biggest single producer, is coming with an initial public share offering in Canada and at home.
http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=23518
Afghanistan Could Be 'Saudi Arabia' of Lithium - June 2010
SYNOPSIS: Previously unknown deposits include huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium, all vital of green tech economy. The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan
http://www.pv-tech.org/news/solarworld_goes_from_modules_to_mining
SolarWorld goes from modules to mining - March 2011
the company has announced plans to start prospecting for lithium on its doorstep in Saxony, Germany. SolarWorld said it had received official approval from the Saxon State Minister for Economic Affairs to start prospecting in the Eastern part of the Erzgebirge Mountains.
The Saxony-located lithium deposits were claimed to be among the ten largest lithium deposits in the world.
in lithium batteries final consumers will in future store their home-made solar power for self-consumption
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/08/lithium-20110803.html - August 2011
University of Michigan and Ford researchers see plentiful lithium resources for electric vehicles - August 2011
Researchers from the University of Michigan and Ford Motor Co. report in Journal of Industrial Ecology that even with a rapid and widespread adoption of electric vehicles powered by lithium-ion batteries, lithium resources are sufficient to support demand until at least the end of this century.
The researchers compiled data on 103 deposits containing lithium, with an emphasis on 32 deposits that have a lithium resource of more than 100,000 metric tons each.
http://www.uwyo.edu/uw/news/2013/04/uw-researchers-lithium-discovery-could-boost-co2-storage-prospects.html - April 2013
UW Researchers Lithium Discovery Could Boost CO2 Storage Prospects April 24, 2013 Researchers at the University of Wyoming Carbon Management Institute (CMI) discovered a vast new lithium resource near Rock Springs during a geological carbon dioxide storage site characterization project sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy. Preliminary analyses of fluid samples collected from a well drilled on the Rock Springs Uplift -- a geological feature in southwest Wyoming -- suggest that reservoir brines from a 25-square-mile area of the uplift could contain 228,000 tons of lithium: enough to meet annual U.S. demand. To help put this number in perspective, the lithium reserves at Silver Peak, Nev. -- the largest domestic producer of lithium -- total 118,000 tons in a 20-square-mile area. In a best-case scenario, the 2,000-square-mile Rock Springs Uplift could harbor up to 18 million tons of lithium, equivalent to about 720 years of current global lithium production.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/vast-reserves-lithium-found-wyoming-could-meet-all-us-demand.html- April 2013
Massive deposit of lithium found in Wyoming could meet all U.S. demand
Currently, the U.S. imports more than 80% of the lithium it uses, despite the fact that Bolivia alone has enough lithium reserves for 4.8 billion electric cars and that lithium can be recycled from old batteries (it doesn't disappear after use like oil), some people are concerned about our civilization's increased dependence on the soft silver-white metal. It's true that the
The latest development that supports that thesis comes from researchers at the University of Wyoming. They've found lithium - a lot of it - in Rock Springs Uplift, a geological feature in southwest Wyoming. Data so far suggests that brines from a 25-square-mile area could contain 228,000 tons of lithium. That's enough to meet annual U.S. demand, and almost twice as much as the reserves from the biggest domestic lithium producer (located at Silver Peak, in Nevada).
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ROFL - Again, just reiterating basic natural resource economics doesn't show ...
kristopher
Jun 2015
#11
Critical materials research needed to secure U.S. manufacturing, officials say
OKIsItJustMe
Jun 2015
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It seems odd to me that the Critical Materials Institute is engaged in FUD
OKIsItJustMe
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