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GliderGuider

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2. Yes, the same bias is part of my lowball estimate of our sustainability.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:51 AM
Aug 2015

I'd disagree about how common the expression of "I wish it would all just end" was among the PO crowd. I didn't see much of it, and I was pretty embedded in the group. I saw a lot of fascination with the idea of a crash, but it was more along the lines of "it will happen" as opposed to "I want it to happen". I see far more of the latter coming up now in the NTHE crowd. It wears various disguises, but underneath many of them is the feeling that humanity is a pathogen, and needs to be cured for the sake of Gaia.

I've had that feeling, but I've worked hard over the last few years to get beyond it, with varying degrees of success. This is what underpins my current attitude of "watchful waiting". I no longer think we all deserve to die, but don't want to encourage us in further growth, and I know things can't keep on going as they have for much long. So I watch and wait. And make graphs and argue about shit while I do...

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"worst-case thinking" bias (AKA “doomer” bias) OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #1
Yes, the same bias is part of my lowball estimate of our sustainability. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #2
I'm lightening up a bit on my position regarding sustainable population levels GliderGuider Aug 2015 #11
“I characterize my lowball estimates as one end of a probability distribution curve.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #12
Yep. Conditions change, and our knowledge of the factors involved do as well. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #13
“That goes for people too.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #14
Why haven’t we had a “World War” recently? GliderGuider Aug 2015 #15
World Wars strike me as “group” activities OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #17
Apology accepted. bananas Aug 2015 #3
You're most welcome. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #4
Very mature position FBaggins Aug 2015 #6
"Peak Oil" was the optimistic view. That filthy stuff is destroying the world. hunter Aug 2015 #5
I think this post, plus the OP, plus one of GG's former posts... FBaggins Aug 2015 #7
To be clear, my point is not that PO theory was wrong (that's a different discussion) GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Peak Oil seemed to be a type of psychological operation Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #9
Peak oil has two huge problems, that generally are ignored till it is to late. happyslug Aug 2015 #10
Excellent post. It's a complex problem. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #16
Psychology is a real stumbling block in group dynamics GliderGuider Aug 2015 #18
I’m going to go with “A major obstacle.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #19
I think the bandwagon underestimated the establishment psychology cprise Aug 2015 #20
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